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Originally Posted by Original Position
So then make student groups pay for extra security costs. I agree that this places extra weight on the administration to distance the school from some speakers. I'm okay with that - universities should in general have a retweet is not endorsement policy for guest speakers (or even faculty members). Also, I think that particularly controversial student groups will still find themselves under a lot of pressure from administration once donors start to complain. If the student groups can't govern themselves in a way that is consistent with the university continuing its mission, then suspend them.
No, charging higher fees to host a controversial speaker is a well-known tactic to repress unpopular speech. It is often attempted by universities for the reasons you mention, and it violates the their responsibility to maintain viewpoint neutrality.
https://www.thefire.org/?s=Fees+milo
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Forcing the College Republicans to shoulder the costs of security—because of UA’s subjective judgment that the anticipated response to viewpoints expressed at the event necessitate it—violates the College Republicans’ First Amendment rights and puts freedom of expression at UA at risk.… Any administrative imposition of security fees upon a student group must be guided by narrowly-drawn, viewpoint- and content-neutral, reasonable, definite, and published standards in order to comply with UA’s obligations under the First Amendment. In assessing security fees based on the subjective conclusion that Yiannopoulos is “controversial,” UA has committed precisely the type of viewpoint discrimination that the First Amendment prohibits.
The ACLU also mentions excessive security fees are unconstitutional during protests:
https://www.aclunc.org/our-work/know...demonstrations
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Cities may charge for the actual costs of a demonstration, including the costs of processing permits, traffic control, certain narrow insurance requirements and some clean-up costs, but you may challenge excessive fees. Groups have successfully challenged burdensome fees by arguing that:
The fee or costs have been imposed or increased because the content of the event is controversial and may provoke counter-demonstrations or require more police;
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Originally Posted by ecriture d'adulte
You didn't read what I wrote. I am simply saying Berkeley should have said no right off the bat when he/student groups asked for him to speak there. It's completely reasonable for the administration to have standards when it comes to speakers and this moron certainly couldn't pass. So the right wing trolls are wrong in that free speech has nothing to do with it, Universities should just act like every other institution in the universe and place restrictions on who can use their facilities, like they already do in many other situations.
Besides the above, OP is on the right track. You, as usual, are way off base. No, a state school has no right to censor a student group's choice of speakers, and they shouldn't attempt to. A university's primary goal should not be to protect students from ideas you dislike, or fill student's minds with whatever silly ideas you approve, it should be to teach students how to obtain knowledge so that they are prepared to succeed in the broader world outside the university -- not as so many of you would like: to push a political agenda. Telling a student organization they cannot invite a political speaker they wish to hear speak is clearly doing just that.
If you're worried as always about hate speech, you should understand you are not doing
anything to stop the underlying problems of bigotry you believe Milo and the alt-right represent by treating the symptoms and banning the speaker. On the contrary you only make it worse, as you have been for some time now by dismissing those who hold the opinions you despise. Take the advise of the ACLU,
and fight hate speech with more speech. And stop acting exactly like those aholes you claim to despise.
http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/02/0...k-at-berkeley/
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When the ACLU defended the neo-Nazis in the Skokie case, the organization used the same laws it had invoked during the Civil Rights era. As the ACLU points out, that’s when Southern cities tried to shut down civil rights marches with similar claims about the violence and disruption the protests would cause.
Similarly, if we say it’s OK to shut down someone like Yiannopoulos because he’s offensive, then we can’t object when Steve Bannon, the former Breitbart chairman and President Trump’s chief strategist, tells the media, and anyone who disagrees with new White House actions, to “shut up.”