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02-07-2017 , 10:46 PM
Next on the chopping block? The commission that oversees and secures our votes

https://techcrunch.com/2017/02/07/bi...s-in-congress/

And remember, this was the party that pretended to care about securing the vote with voter ID
02-07-2017 , 11:04 PM
Until he learns the meaning of the word solidarity I'd drop trying to explain the point of a strike to him.
02-07-2017 , 11:05 PM
02-07-2017 , 11:06 PM
02-08-2017 , 12:16 AM
rt please
02-08-2017 , 12:47 AM
Bad play by GOP imo. Streisand effect going to make sure that Coretta Scott King letter is read/heard way more than if Warren had been allowed to finish.
02-08-2017 , 12:54 AM
This is ridiculous. Moments ago, Senate Republicans ruled that any Democrat who criticizes Jeff Sessions’ record will be stripped of the right to speak as we discuss his potential confirmation to be Attorney General.

It all happened when Elizabeth Warren was reading a letter written by Coretta Scott King to the Judiciary Committee in 1986 during a debate on Jeff Sessions’ nomination to serve as a federal judge.

Here’s the text of Coretta Scott King’s letter that Mitch McConnell didn’t want anyone to hear.

"I write to express my sincere opposition to the confirmation of Jefferson B. Sessions as a federal district court judge for the Southern District of Alabama. My professional and personal roots in Alabama are deep and lasting. Anyone who has used the power of his office as United States Attorney to intimidate and chill the free exercise of the ballot by citizens should not be elevated to our courts. Mr. Sessions has used the awesome powers of his office in a shabby attempt to intimidate and frighten elderly black voters. For this reprehensible conduct, he should not be rewarded with a federal judgeship.

I regret that a long-standing commitment prevents me from appearing in person to testify against this nominee. However, I have attached a copy of my statement opposing Mr. Sessions’ confirmation and I request that my statement as well as this be made a part of the hearing record.

I do sincerely urge you to oppose the confirmation of Mr. Sessions
02-08-2017 , 12:58 AM
Full Coretta Scott King letter here:

https://www.documentcloud.org/docume...ml#document/p1

ETA PDF version:

https://assets.documentcloud.org/doc...ony-Signed.pdf

Last edited by zikzak; 02-08-2017 at 01:04 AM.
02-08-2017 , 01:01 AM
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Originally Posted by zikzak
Full Coretta Scott King letter here:

https://www.documentcloud.org/docume...ml#document/p1
People with GOP Senators should print this out and mail it to them. Or send it with a pizza.
02-08-2017 , 01:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Original Position
So then make student groups pay for extra security costs. I agree that this places extra weight on the administration to distance the school from some speakers. I'm okay with that - universities should in general have a retweet is not endorsement policy for guest speakers (or even faculty members). Also, I think that particularly controversial student groups will still find themselves under a lot of pressure from administration once donors start to complain. If the student groups can't govern themselves in a way that is consistent with the university continuing its mission, then suspend them.
No, charging higher fees to host a controversial speaker is a well-known tactic to repress unpopular speech. It is often attempted by universities for the reasons you mention, and it violates the their responsibility to maintain viewpoint neutrality.

https://www.thefire.org/?s=Fees+milo
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Forcing the College Republicans to shoulder the costs of security—because of UA’s subjective judgment that the anticipated response to viewpoints expressed at the event necessitate it—violates the College Republicans’ First Amendment rights and puts freedom of expression at UA at risk.… Any administrative imposition of security fees upon a student group must be guided by narrowly-drawn, viewpoint- and content-neutral, reasonable, definite, and published standards in order to comply with UA’s obligations under the First Amendment. In assessing security fees based on the subjective conclusion that Yiannopoulos is “controversial,” UA has committed precisely the type of viewpoint discrimination that the First Amendment prohibits.
The ACLU also mentions excessive security fees are unconstitutional during protests:
https://www.aclunc.org/our-work/know...demonstrations
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Cities may charge for the actual costs of a demonstration, including the costs of processing permits, traffic control, certain narrow insurance requirements and some clean-up costs, but you may challenge excessive fees. Groups have successfully challenged burdensome fees by arguing that:

The fee or costs have been imposed or increased because the content of the event is controversial and may provoke counter-demonstrations or require more police;
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Originally Posted by ecriture d'adulte
You didn't read what I wrote. I am simply saying Berkeley should have said no right off the bat when he/student groups asked for him to speak there. It's completely reasonable for the administration to have standards when it comes to speakers and this moron certainly couldn't pass. So the right wing trolls are wrong in that free speech has nothing to do with it, Universities should just act like every other institution in the universe and place restrictions on who can use their facilities, like they already do in many other situations.
Besides the above, OP is on the right track. You, as usual, are way off base. No, a state school has no right to censor a student group's choice of speakers, and they shouldn't attempt to. A university's primary goal should not be to protect students from ideas you dislike, or fill student's minds with whatever silly ideas you approve, it should be to teach students how to obtain knowledge so that they are prepared to succeed in the broader world outside the university -- not as so many of you would like: to push a political agenda. Telling a student organization they cannot invite a political speaker they wish to hear speak is clearly doing just that.

If you're worried as always about hate speech, you should understand you are not doing anything to stop the underlying problems of bigotry you believe Milo and the alt-right represent by treating the symptoms and banning the speaker. On the contrary you only make it worse, as you have been for some time now by dismissing those who hold the opinions you despise. Take the advise of the ACLU, and fight hate speech with more speech. And stop acting exactly like those aholes you claim to despise.

http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/02/0...k-at-berkeley/
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When the ACLU defended the neo-Nazis in the Skokie case, the organization used the same laws it had invoked during the Civil Rights era. As the ACLU points out, that’s when Southern cities tried to shut down civil rights marches with similar claims about the violence and disruption the protests would cause.

Similarly, if we say it’s OK to shut down someone like Yiannopoulos because he’s offensive, then we can’t object when Steve Bannon, the former Breitbart chairman and President Trump’s chief strategist, tells the media, and anyone who disagrees with new White House actions, to “shut up.”
02-08-2017 , 02:01 AM
Yeah, great ****ing timing, FoldN. Figured you'd be in here to talk about Elizabeth Warren getting shouted down on the Senate floor, but no, you're here to nurse some grievance about a white supremacist having his feelings hurt. Fantastic priorities, my dude.
02-08-2017 , 02:03 AM
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Originally Posted by stakman1011
Bad play by GOP imo. Streisand effect going to make sure that Coretta Scott King letter is read/heard way more than if Warren had been allowed to finish.
Yeah, agreed. Also makes them look bad and makes Warren (perhaps the 2020 front runner) look good.
02-08-2017 , 02:23 AM
Milo should just be disregarded, he gets way too much attention for the attention-seeking troll he is.

As far as his supporters just do the same with them as you do with any garden-variety idiot, pay them no mind and just let them own it. There's a lot more permanency these days and people's pasts are much more likely to follow them around.
02-08-2017 , 02:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Yeah, great ****ing timing, FoldN. Figured you'd be in here to talk about Elizabeth Warren getting shouted down on the Senate floor...
Yes, that was terrible. Now if we could only get everyone to start respecting the value of others right to speak... how do we do that?

Last edited by FoldnDark; 02-08-2017 at 02:32 AM. Reason: They should find a way to teach those sorts of skills at university, imo.
02-08-2017 , 03:07 AM
Go away.
02-08-2017 , 06:03 AM
Seems to me there is quite a substantial difference between a few members of Antifa deciding to non-peacefully shut down a Milo speaking engagement (something we liberals could do nothing about by the way, demonstrators at the protest yelled at these black-masks to stop but they seemed like they were there to cause trouble) and the Senate shutting down Elizabeth Warren reading MLK's widow's letter because they got their feelings hurt. Anarchists and morons like Antifa, we expect to do things like that and we shouldn't be particularly surprised when they happen--that's what those kinds of groups do. But you would really think The U.S. Senate would rise slightly higher than that.

There is also the matter that Milo was trying to out undocumented and LGBT students at his speaking engagement, which can in its own way be considered a form of violence. So yeah. Anyway there are plenty of threads to talk about Milo, we have better things to talk about in The Resistance thread so FoldN you can kindly take your crap elsewhere please and thank you.
02-08-2017 , 06:52 AM
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Seems to me there is quite a substantial difference...(a bunch of stuff obvious to everyone not foldN)
yeah, pretty much. I actually laughed when he tried to equate the two.
02-08-2017 , 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by FoldnDark
Yes, that was terrible. Now if we could only get everyone to start respecting the value of others right to speak... how do we do that?
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Originally Posted by stakman1011
Bad play by GOP imo. Streisand effect going to make sure that Coretta Scott King letter is read/heard way more than if Warren had been allowed to finish.
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Originally Posted by JoltinJake
Yeah, agreed. Also makes them look bad and makes Warren (perhaps the 2020 front runner) look good.
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Originally Posted by problemeliminator
yeah, pretty much. I actually laughed when he tried to equate the two.
Mitch imposed Senate Rule 19 yesterday. The rule is pretty clear. Perhaps was brushing up on using Rule 19 because he plans to use it in the future as indicated by this recent article:

Using Rule 19 to Confirm Gorsuch Without Killing the Fillibuster

#demsarescrewed
02-08-2017 , 09:21 AM
Resistance Action Items 2/8/2017

Senate Only
Vote NO on Jeff Sessions for Attorney General
Filibuster Gorsuch for Supreme Court
Attempt to read Coretta Scott King's letter about Jeff Sessions over the phone--


Senate and House of Representatives
Vote NO on repeal/dismantling Obamacare (ACA)
Vote NO on any kind of wall
Vote NO on any Muslim Ban/Mass Deportation scheme
Vote NO on dismantling the EPA

www.contactsenators.com
http://www.house.gov/representatives/find/
02-08-2017 , 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by adios
Mitch imposed Senate Rule 19 yesterday. The rule is pretty clear. Perhaps was brushing up on using Rule 19 because he plans to use it in the future as indicated by this recent article:

Using Rule 19 to Confirm Gorsuch Without Killing the Fillibuster

#demsarescrewed
Well, yeah. Gorsuch is going in unless some major scandal emerges. And I mean more than some Clarence Thomas deal. I know some people want a filibuster but I very seriously doubt the Dems take that road considering the potentially severe cost, over basically the least-scary nominee we could have reasonably expected to see (considering Trump's cabinet selections I'm surprised he didn't pick Scott Baio). Dems have more to think about than this one SCOTUS seat in isolation.
02-08-2017 , 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by FoldnDark
A university's primary goal should not be to protect students from ideas you dislike, or fill student's minds with whatever silly ideas you approve, it should be to teach students how to obtain knowledge so that they are prepared to succeed in the broader world outside the university -- not as so many of you would like: to push a political agenda. Telling a student organization they cannot invite a political speaker they wish to hear speak is clearly doing just that.
No, sorry. Universities absolutely exist to push my agendas, which align with the community of experts, on say math or science and suppress crackpots and idiots. Its pretty much how the whole structure of a University is set up. I get why idiots don't like that, so i understand why you're whining, but that's the way it is.
02-08-2017 , 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by stakman1011
Bad play by GOP imo. Streisand effect going to make sure that Coretta Scott King letter is read/heard way more than if Warren had been allowed to finish.
This is a clown post, bro. The Republicans know no one is going to hold them accountable. A bunch of liberals reading the letter doesn't concern them in the least.
02-08-2017 , 12:38 PM
Sure donny, keep telling yourself that.

02-08-2017 , 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by ecriture d'adulte
No, sorry. Universities absolutely exist to push my agendas, which align with the community of experts, on say math or science and suppress crackpots and idiots. Its pretty much how the whole structure of a University is set up. I get why idiots don't like that, so i understand why you're whining, but that's the way it is.
Well, I hope you'll change your mind, and that your current views will not be accepted by experts at universities, or continue to be accepted by the public at large. I'm not sure you know what you're inviting by advocating academic freedom be subject to undue public pressure and censorship, even if only to push your agenda. Lot's of people have lot's of agendas, and even experts will often disagree on them. But with regard to freedom of expression on campus, the experts tend to disagree with you on this matter.

Here are some good places to start learning about the role of student organizations and free inquiry on campus:

https://www.aclu.org/files/pdfs/stan...ing_manual.pdf
https://www.aclu.org/other/hate-speech-campus
https://www.thefire.org/?s=student+organizations
https://pen.org/?s=student+organizations
02-08-2017 , 01:41 PM
wait so we can call the donald directly? I need that number

      
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