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08-26-2014 , 09:49 AM

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loooooooooooooooooooooooooool

08-26-2014 , 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiraqDrill

You have no idea what you are talking about.

Ummmm, okay. Why don't you explain it to us, cause I don't see the correlation between balancing the budget and mass global starvation??? And a skyrocketing global murder rate??

08-26-2014 , 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by GEAUX UL

Yeah, just look at how terrible things were the last time Clinton balanced the budget!

Economic ruin I tell ya!

Clinton was the last president to get a major tax increase through congress. Are you willing to go there?

08-26-2014 , 10:52 AM

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Achieving a balanced budget over a multiple year span can be a sign of a healthy economy and a good signpost for policy.

Forcing a federal government to run a balanced budget every year is counterproductive.

Forcing an immediate balanced budget in the US in 2014 is the height of stupidity.

08-26-2014 , 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Deuces McKracken

Clinton was the last president to get a major tax increase through congress. Are you willing to go there?

I was responding to the guy who said a balanced budget would lead to economic ruin. So no, not really.

08-26-2014 , 10:56 AM

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you can make that argument.... However, saying that everyone would starve in the god damn world if the USA cut 492b out of the budget is ****ing idiotic, and I'm not aware of anyone saying we should balance the budget no matter what in 2014.

08-26-2014 , 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by LetsGambool

Forcing an immediate balanced budget in the US in 2014 is the height of stupidity.

I don't follow this guy as close as y'all do. Has Rand ever claimed he'd do that?

08-26-2014 , 11:00 AM

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Of course not

08-26-2014 , 11:16 AM

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Another day, another lie about Rand's actual stated policy objectives.

In this op-ed from 2013, he supports the shutdown of the government and reccomends not allowing the government to reopen unless a balanced budget is amended to the constitution. The balanced budget amendment would of course, FORCE the federal government to balance the budget every year.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rand Paul

There are solutions. Perhaps we should not raise the debt ceiling without also enacting a balanced-budget amendment. Many states are forced to balance their budgets, and there is no reason the federal government cannot begin to do the same.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...#ixzz2i5Fa7FS3

08-26-2014 , 11:17 AM

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Why is the right so unwilling to own up to its actual ideas and policies?

08-26-2014 , 11:17 AM

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try reading again einbert

08-26-2014 , 11:19 AM

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Don't think that because I am willing to take the effort to point out your most blatant lies from time to time that I would actually engage you. I wouldn't waste my time like that, ikestoys.

08-26-2014 , 11:22 AM

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have a nice vacation

08-26-2014 , 11:26 AM

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einbert yes paul supports a balanced budget.... no he does not support suddenly making 2014 a balanced budget year. This isn't difficult if you actually read the posts in the thread. It helps to avoid looking like a fool as well.

08-26-2014 , 11:36 AM

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And shock:

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Every year since being in the Senate, I've introduced a comprehensive budget that balances within 5 years. The purpose is not only to show that it can be done, but it also demonstrates that when the size of government is reduced through reform, resources can be more efficiently prioritized without relying on tax increases.

See what happens when you don't read einbert?

**** man, the ****ing page you cite, just under the ****ing thing you quote:

Quote:

There is also the Penny Plan, which could balance the budget by cutting total federal spending by 1 percent each year for six consecutive years. Over a decade, overall spending would be reduced by $7.5 trillion.

Just terrible terrible spot you've put yourself in.

08-26-2014 , 11:36 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by GEAUX UL

I don't follow this guy as close as y'all do. Has Rand ever claimed he'd do that?

His debt ceiling vote was a de facto vote for an instantaneous balanced budget, although that's far from a perfect proxy given the politics of debt ceiling votes. (see Obama, Barack)

I was more making a general comment about balanced budgets than opining on Rand's specific position since the three balance budget related ideas I referenced seem to get conflated when balanced budget discussions come up.

IIRC his proposal is to balance the budget within five years (potentially reasonable, but unlikely without a revenue enhancing component) and also supports a balanced budget amendment (every proposal Ive read has been bad)

08-26-2014 , 11:36 AM

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so paul does not support a balanced budget amendment?

08-26-2014 , 11:38 AM

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His debt ceiling vote was a de facto vote for an instantaneous balanced budget

False.

Also, did Obama vote for an instantaneous balanced budget when he voted against raising the debt ceiling?

08-26-2014 , 11:38 AM

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He'd be remissed being confused when Rand is mentioning state budgets which, usually by law, have to be balanced every year. That's a bit different than saying I'll reduce spending until the the budget is balanced and go from there.

08-26-2014 , 11:39 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiraqDrill

so paul does not support a balanced budget amendment?

Let me sum things up for you because you're having some problems:

1) Paul supports balancing the budget
2) Paul does not support balancing the budget this fiscal year. He's always proposed multi year plans of around 5 years.
3) Balancing the budget would not cause mass starvation

08-26-2014 , 11:48 AM

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Austrian Economics is used soley by con artists to get idiots to buy gold coins and their news letters or watch their youtube channels.

It is not in anyway whatsoever taken seriously by society at any level (policy, academic, business). It is complete bull ****.

08-26-2014 , 11:50 AM

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Ikes, do you understand the paradox of thrift?

08-26-2014 , 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiraqDrill

Thanks for the hot take. You're still completely wrong itt.

08-26-2014 , 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiraqDrill

Ikes, do you understand the paradox of thrift?

Do you understand what you've posted? This is not an attempt to simply to be mean, it's an honest to god conclusion that you literally do not understand what you've posted on the board.

There are legitimate arguments for not balancing the budget. I get that. The problem is that your argument is worth nothing but ridicule. Balanced budgets will not cause mass murder and starvation. Balanced budgets have happened before man, and we all lived somehow. Get your **** together and start copying someone else until you can learn how to argue on your own.

08-26-2014 , 11:56 AM

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When is the inflation coming Ikes? If it is still not here in 2025 will you admit you are wrong? What is the time line exactly for the US dollar to collapse under this mountain of debt?

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