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03-23-2017 , 11:20 PM

#20926

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Originally Posted by dinopoker

This one. It's called "why we fight" iirc

Reminds me of a documentary I just saw on Netflix Night Will Fall. It's about a documentary made by Alfred Hitchcock among others about the concentration camps which wasn't finished. Anyway, there's a quote in there from Eisenhower similar to "why we fight". I think it was maybe "Our soldiers may not know what they are fighting for, but here they can see what they are fighting against." Something like that. Bringing Germans who lived near the camps to view what was going on there featured prominently.

03-23-2017 , 11:21 PM

#20927

einbert

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I mean seriously. Let me ask you a question. I'm supposed to sympathize with a Trump voter based on the fact they wanted Obamacare repealed but not the ACA? Really? Where is this "personal responsibility" the right loves to espouse?

Based on the way Trump LOVES to constantly pass the buck, I'm starting to realize that the whole "personal responsibility" thing applies to everyone BUT the right-winger who is spouting it.

03-23-2017 , 11:22 PM

#20928

RV Life

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Originally Posted by raheem

I mean yes, impeach Trump. We should just somehow try to make Trump voters realise the brainwashing. After they realise it, there should be no punishment.

The problem is we tried that for the past year. Trump voters simply did not care. If they disagreed with it, it was fake news. And you really can't fight something like that.

03-23-2017 , 11:24 PM

#20929

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I don't get the whole idea of liberal elitism. How is it worse than conservative elitism?

"We represent real America"
"You must say Merry Christmas"
"The people who live on the coasts are out of touch"

etc etc

03-23-2017 , 11:25 PM

#20930

raheem

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RV Life

The problem is we tried that for the past year. Trump voters simply did not care. If they disagreed with it, it was fake news. And you really can't fight something like that.

Fake news was a term that was invented after the election though, but I see what you're saying.

03-23-2017 , 11:27 PM

#20931

raheem

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Quote:

Originally Posted by synth_floyd

Yes there is conservative elitism too. We should just try and invent new ways to make people realise. It is a big problem. Shouting racist doesn't work.

How do you kill an ideology? That's the question.

03-23-2017 , 11:27 PM

#20932

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Originally Posted by raheem

I would've been smart enough to know Trump sucks, but I had a conservative gf that brainwashed me. At least I was smart enough to wake up from that brainwashing.

Elitism is not the way to go. It only makes the supporters angry. I think empathy and humanity is the way to go. I believe that love will heal everything.

How about personal responsibilityism for buying into it all?

It's great you have seen the light and applaud you for coming forward. However I am not throwing you any parades for getting there in first place.

03-23-2017 , 11:27 PM

#20933

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Originally Posted by raheem

Eric Bolling is holding back tears on the O'Reilly Factor.

O'Reilly and Bolling are good people. Trump is bad.

I don't watch O'Reilly, but seems like he's pretty objectively a bad person. I think generally his politics are about greed, war, inhumanity, indifference to human suffering, etc., but there's also the personal stuff; the screaming like a maniac on set and the losing custody of his children because he dragged his wife down the stairs by her neck.

03-23-2017 , 11:28 PM

#20934

ASAP17

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Who is surprised though? Was a Dem for a decent part of this century.

03-23-2017 , 11:29 PM

#20935

synth_floyd

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I'm pretty sure Trump has little to no direct input in the content of the books that are published in his name. I mean he'll veto stuff he doesn't like and tweak some stuff but the meat and potatoes of however many books that have been published were all done by other people and he just signed off on them.

03-23-2017 , 11:30 PM

#20936

stinkubus

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The rank hypocrisy of the American political "conservative", and the total lack of humanity in ~100% of their "policy" positions (the only policies they have are roll backs of existing rights, regulations, and taxes) makes them worthy targets for scorn and condescension.

03-23-2017 , 11:31 PM

#20937

raheem

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Quote:

Originally Posted by markksman

I'm not asking for a parade. I'm just saying I shouldn't be punished.

03-23-2017 , 11:31 PM

#20938

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03-23-2017 , 11:31 PM

#20939

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Originally Posted by microbet

Yeah he has some personal flaws for sure. But he's not a Nazi. He just realised that Trump is a radical.

03-23-2017 , 11:33 PM

#20940

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03-23-2017 , 11:36 PM

#20941

OmgGlutten!

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Trump wants to start wars and do all that fun stuff. Healthcare = Snoozefest

03-23-2017 , 11:37 PM

#20942

RV Life

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Quote:

Originally Posted by raheem

I'm not asking for a parade. I'm just saying I shouldn't be punished.

Well my friend, you are going to be punished. Sorry you realized this too late along with everyone else that supported Trump.

But don't be so hard on yourself. Trump is a master conman. This is what he does. He's the modern PT Barnum.

03-23-2017 , 11:37 PM

#20943

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Originally Posted by synth_floyd

Elite for a liberal is being against bigotry. That's really all there is to it. Maybe you can throw in being against pollution.

What you're talking about isn't really conservative elitism in my book. I consider conservative elitism to be the Koch Bros, The US Chamber of Commerce, Halliburton, Mercer, Exxon, Goldman Sachs, Adelson, Murdoch, Friess, Singer, Thiel, Bechtel, Chevron....

03-23-2017 , 11:46 PM

#20944

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I don't think Trump is like a leader Nazi. He's a dumb old bigot who has watched way too much Fox News and Alex Jones. He's an easy mark for a guy like Bannon who very openly wants to destroy the American government. He's also a natural authoritarian and narcissist. It won't be his idea to put all Muslims in the US in camps, but he'll like it when he hears it.

03-23-2017 , 11:48 PM

#20945

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Quote:

Originally Posted by synth_floyd

Thier elitism is not based on things that take skill, ability, or hard work. For example, It takes a massive amount of work to get a PhD at one of their hated universities.

It takes no work to be a Christian, in fact it takes active intellectual laziness.

03-23-2017 , 11:52 PM

#20946

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Originally Posted by m_reed05

Quote:

Originally Posted by markksman

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These two being separated by 1 post is amazing

03-23-2017 , 11:54 PM

#20947

raheem

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RV Life

I should be thrown into a wooden oven? Thrown into jail perhaps?

If I was American, I get that I would be punished by Trump, and that would suck. But I don't understand why you're so enthusiastic about punishing me.

03-23-2017 , 11:54 PM

#20948

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Trump said his genes were better than others during the campaign a few times. He just likes money more.

03-23-2017 , 11:56 PM

#20949

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Originally Posted by AllTheCheese

I didn't assume that he meant rando off the street, but there is no meaning to "SCOTUS without a legal background" that could possibly be acceptable to me, so I see no need for a follow up. Didn't you study law with Obama or w/e? In what way could this ever be acceptable?

That's fair and I agree, I'm just saying Jamelle Bouie isn't some random mouthbreather dropping hot breath takes.

Apologies but I thought it obvious that I was more trying to defend my boy JB in general. I was like WAT until I read the replies.

I can see a way where having "civilian" or layperson input is acceptable, but it would require a total restructuring. We couldn't just drop in a non-judge now.