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03-05-2017 , 10:58 PM

#16701

wheatrich

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Quote:

Originally Posted by einbert

What are we waiting for? There's enough evidence at this point. We should be marching every day, they should be filibustering everything in Congress and calling for a special prosecutor and Sessions to resign before conducting any normal business. This is a full fledged constitutional crisis.

congress doesn't have any evidence at all it seems, too cold, yes, yes but precedent says not yet--hopefully they can pressure house chair to recuse (tho both need to but nunes has already made his conclusion b/c he's parroting trump already), let's hear the explanation first, we're still not there yet though it's obvious that's going to happen.

Watergate took 2 years from when everyone knew and nixon didn't have congress on his side.

Luckily we live in a much faster information age but he still gonna be pres for a bit. You don't just get to undo an election.

03-05-2017 , 11:02 PM

#16702

einbert

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Originally Posted by Pwn_Master

I can neither confirm nor deny that Carter Page is amazing due to confidentiality agreements..... but I'm not denying it.

According to the Russian definition of meeting (where meeting somebody is watching youtube clips of them sweating bullets with chris hayes) I can neither confirm nor deny that I've met Carter Page.

03-05-2017 , 11:04 PM

#16703

einbert

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Originally Posted by wheatrich

I'm not saying remove him from office. There's not enough for that yet, and due process applies even to the Orange Monster. But we do need a special prosecutor.

03-05-2017 , 11:07 PM

#16704

LimpDitka

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Originally Posted by DisGunBGud

Trump = relevancy

If she's not with Trump we'd never even know her name. She does nothing and brings nothing to the table but her looks. Staying with Trump how ever long he lasts helps her build her brand. You think she married him because she loves him? We've all been around couples in love, we know what it looks like. Watch how they act around each other, they are both parasites benefiting off the other.

Basically this. Plus if she dumps trump a day after he is elected she's basically vilified by half of the American population.

03-05-2017 , 11:11 PM

#16705

PocketChads

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Half the country thinks Trump is the victim of Watergate Part 2

That's kind of a roadblock

03-05-2017 , 11:13 PM

#16706

NhlNut

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Greenwald has his blind spots, but he's consistent in opposition to power, influence, and militarism.
I have no problem with his contempt for current media outrage at Trump continuation of Obama/Left positions.

03-05-2017 , 11:13 PM

#16707

goofyballer

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Originally Posted by einbert

And hey, I could be wrong on this. But I supported Greenwald through the Obama era. He was harsh on Obama but that's healthy in a democracy, that's good. But why isn't he now bringing that same harshness on Trump, when we need it more than ever? Instead, he's....doing something strange. I don't get it.

I think the answer to your question is "because everyone else is, and nobody is critically looking at Democrats besides Republican hacks". But that's just me guessing.

03-05-2017 , 11:15 PM

#16708

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Originally Posted by goofyballer

I think the answer to your question is "because everyone else is, and nobody is critically looking at Democrats besides Republican hacks". But that's just me guessing.

Honestly, I think he just prefers the challenge.

03-05-2017 , 11:15 PM

#16709

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Originally Posted by einbert

According to the Russian definition of meeting (where meeting somebody is watching youtube clips of them sweating bullets with chris hayes) I can neither confirm nor deny that I've met Carter Page.

I also did not have a *meeting* with Carter Page I may have said hello but I cannot deny reports that I have met with him. I'm only talking about this because it was leaked.

03-05-2017 , 11:17 PM

#16710

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I may have *met* somebody with the name *Carter Page*, but he wasn't, he wasn't wearing a name badge! Am I supposed to know everybody's name that I've met with?

03-05-2017 , 11:22 PM

#16711

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Originally Posted by goofyballer

I think the answer to your question is "because everyone else is, and nobody is critically looking at Democrats besides Republican hacks". But that's just me guessing.

Greenwald is yelling about the dangers of a leaky toilet when the house is on fire.

03-05-2017 , 11:23 PM

#16712

Huehuecoyotl

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While some provisions in the new order have been relaxed, Mr. Trump and immigration hard-liners in the administration are expected to assert that the new version is no less strict because it retains a temporary ban on refugees.

The senior administration official said Iraq had been removed from the travel ban after Secretary of State Rex W. Tillerson had discussions with the Iraqi government about its vetting processes. The Iraqi officials insisted that their vetting system was thorough enough on its own.

It of course has nothing to do with the grief people were giving the administration for blocking people who worked with the US to come to the states. Tillerson just called up Iraq and they totes said, "nah bra we do extreme vetting" and Tillerson was like, "That's good enough for me."

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/05/u...smtyp=cur&_r=0

03-05-2017 , 11:30 PM

#16713

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This just in: Yemen says their vetting process is also good enough.

In the scheme of immigration policies how can this people hating administration make exceptions based on the vetting of the country people want to leave from and come here. It is just dumb.

03-05-2017 , 11:31 PM

#16714

Namath12

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no **** gg Van Jones you had a nice run

03-05-2017 , 11:32 PM

#16715

wheatrich

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well before in trump's world it was "what do I own businesses in?"

at least it's new

03-05-2017 , 11:32 PM

#16716

markksman

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I have not met with Maverick Carter (LeBron business associate), Donald Carter (original owner of the Dallas Mavericks), nor Carter Page (Greatest American Hero).

03-05-2017 , 11:35 PM

#16717

Pokerlogist

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This guy is feeling the real stress of being President and he can't handle it. He's getting paranoid. This is a real responsibility, not a TV role. His lightweight brain is starting to crack. Eventually he'll get worn out and either tune out totally like GWB did or go bat crazy.

03-05-2017 , 11:36 PM

#16718

RV Life

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pvn

Yeah this Carter Page guy is ****ing amazing. People think torture doesn't work, this dude ****ing melted after like two questions from Chris Hayes

Torture works. The problem is you can get anyone to confess anything.

Me: Did you kill JFK?
You: Huh, I'm 18.
Me: (Shoots your mother in the head) Did you kill JFK?
You: WTF man?
Me: (Shoots your father in the head) Did you kill JFK? How many people have to die for you to admit you killed JFK?
You: Uhh..yea I killed JFK.

Obviously, that's a drastic scenario but it's the reason why torture is stupid. You can get anyone to confess to anything you want.

03-05-2017 , 11:38 PM

#16719

Pwn_Master

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Originally Posted by goofyballer

I think the answer to your question is "because everyone else is, and nobody is critically looking at Democrats besides Republican hacks". But that's just me guessing.

Republican hacks have a huge voice and all the power right now, so perhaps now is the time to spend the "credibility" he has built by attacking Obama to fight like hell to save the country?

Agree with Einbert that it's probably because he likes the challenge.

03-05-2017 , 11:39 PM

#16720

wheatrich

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Bannon had a scary quote I read today saying the agenda was going on in record speed--that guy is pretty straight forward.

03-05-2017 , 11:39 PM

#16721

kerowo

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Originally Posted by RV Life

That's why we say colloquially that it doesn't work...

03-05-2017 , 11:45 PM

#16722

Pwn_Master

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Hell of a conundrum the Greenwald/WhatAboutDan crew have thrown at us. It's partisan hackery if you attack Trump and didn't spend the last eight years criticizing Obama. But the folks like Greenwald/WhatAboutDan have little interest in doing the work in fighting Trump..... Guess there just won't be any credible attacks on Trump and we have no choice but to sit quietly while Trump destroys the country ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

03-05-2017 , 11:46 PM

#16723

microbet

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Greenwald has anti-Trump articles including his most recent on how Trump used the Navy Seal guy's widow as propaganda. Van Jones has been an anti-Trump powerhouse.

The left throws people under the bus where the right never would. If someone is just a total fake liberal who is really a Trumpfan in disguise and only supported Bernie because of the plight of the white working class in Ohio then have at them. Otherwise, what Trump's opponents need is solidarity.

03-05-2017 , 11:48 PM

#16724

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Quote:

Originally Posted by einbert

I think Glenn Greenwald is a really good journalist, but I have some disagreements with him. What are you referring to as something strange?

03-05-2017 , 11:55 PM

#16725

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Originally Posted by RV Life

What about scenarios where you know the prisoner knows certain things that you can confirm as truth, like Morpheous knowing the access codes to Zion.

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