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12-11-2018 , 02:21 PM

#130751

Max Cut

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Does the government border security shut down when the government shuts down? Jus' wonderin'

12-11-2018 , 02:22 PM

#130752

Dominic

Tripod

Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 74,419

Trump Prepares to Unveil a Vast Reworking of Clean Water Protections

...why? Why do this? For what benefit?

12-11-2018 , 02:28 PM

#130753

MrWookie

Don't Call Me Meredith

Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 94,159

Pelosi 2019

12-11-2018 , 02:31 PM

#130754

otatop

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dominic

Trump Prepares to Unveil a Vast Reworking of Clean Water Protections

...why? Why do this? For what benefit?

Increasing farmers' profits by a tiny amount is worth more than protecting drinking water, duh.

12-11-2018 , 02:31 PM

#130755

stinkubus

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 4,422

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dominic

Trump Prepares to Unveil a Vast Reworking of Clean Water Protections

...why? Why do this? For what benefit?

Drilling and mining concerns, etc. will find it far less costly to just dump their waste into the water instead of disposing of it prudently.

12-11-2018 , 02:32 PM

#130756

fxwacgesvrhdtf

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dominic

Trump Prepares to Unveil a Vast Reworking of Clean Water Protections

...why? Why do this? For what benefit?

For the liberal tears obviously.

12-11-2018 , 02:32 PM

#130757

alazo1985

journeyman

Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 333

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matty Lice

Yea this idea that Trump is gonna win in 2020 is laughable. It took a perfect storm for him to win in the first place. Lightning isn't going to strike twice.

It took Hillary Clinton to sink Democrats

It’s easy to say Trumps poll #s aren’t good but you can’t ignore the fact that there are plenty of idiots in the US are perfectly willing to still say he’s better than [insert random Democrat] because of [propagandized reason] and still vote for him.

Trump is not a lock to lose in 2020.

12-11-2018 , 02:35 PM

#130758

fatkid

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kre8tive

I love this little guy!

Yes we need a professor to explain to us that a ****ing wall on the border is the dumbest idea in the history of ideas. The fact that Trump has people talking about this wall that will never be built is a HUGE win for him. Space Force y’all drunk uncle is prez.

12-11-2018 , 02:35 PM

#130759

synth_floyd

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Him losing to a generic opponent is totally different than him losing to a specific person so it does depend on who the Dems choose. His only real hope is if they pick someone that they can turn into Hillary 2.0.

12-11-2018 , 02:36 PM

#130760

goofball

Beat Nate Silver

Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 20,426

Trump is more likely to be president on 1/21/2021 than literally anyone else in the world.

12-11-2018 , 02:36 PM

#130761

skydiver8

grinder

Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 589

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dominic

Trump Prepares to Unveil a Vast Reworking of Clean Water Protections

...why? Why do this? For what benefit?

um, it's waaaay cheaper for corporations to just dump their waste in the nearest stream than it is to have all these processes and protections in place to deal with it safely.

It's all about the profits, man.

12-11-2018 , 02:37 PM

#130762

Namath12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by synth_floyd

Yes, generic polls are useless a huge % of the time. See Bush, Dubya et al.

I've got them just flat out running against Hillary in 2020 no matter who the Dems nominate, though. That's the whole point of dragging Comey's lanky ass back up the Hill last week.

12-11-2018 , 02:43 PM

#130763

m_reed05

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Quote:

Originally Posted by stinkubus

FL and OH are GOP locks. Don't see how he can be a big dog when this is the case. Dems have zero margin for error in PA/WI/MI, and don't forget MN was very, very close.

Trump could easily defeat another poor candidate in the same manner as '16; modest EC victory while getting crushed in the popular vote.

OH is a lock. FL is not.

12-11-2018 , 02:44 PM

#130764

+rep_lol

banned

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dominic

Trump Prepares to Unveil a Vast Reworking of Clean Water Protections

...why? Why do this? For what benefit?

hog farmers in NC want to dump waste into the neuse/cape fear rivers and their tributaries because it's cheaper than cleaning it up properly, for example

12-11-2018 , 02:45 PM

#130765

UsedToBeGood

adept

Join Date: Jun 2015 Posts: 882

Dvaut on point yet again.

12-11-2018 , 02:50 PM

#130766

Dominic

Tripod

Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 74,419

Guys, I know it's all for profit and for dumping poison into rivers and lakes, but I guess I just don't understand why a good number of people would think that's a good idea. Or that rolling back these restrictions would even play well with his base.

12-11-2018 , 02:51 PM

#130767

realDonaldTrump

WITCH HUNT!

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( twitter | raw text )

12-11-2018 , 02:54 PM

#130768

DVaut1

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dominic

Trump Prepares to Unveil a Vast Reworking of Clean Water Protections

...why? Why do this? For what benefit?

Quote:

Originally Posted by otatop

Increasing farmers' profits by a tiny amount is worth more than protecting drinking water, duh.

Quote:

Originally Posted by stinkubus

Drilling and mining concerns, etc. will find it far less costly to just dump their waste into the water instead of disposing of it prudently.

Don't forget real estate developers, held back from developing near certain wetland areas.

12-11-2018 , 02:55 PM

#130769

stinkubus

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 4,422

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dominic

Jerbs. Once all the manufacturing went away all that most of these rural areas were left with was trees to cut down and whatever they can dig out of the ground.

I live smack dab in the middle of the Marcellus Shale, and there is no shortage of locals here who would be happy to let some drilling outfit turn our water flammable in exchange for what they could make working the fields.

12-11-2018 , 02:56 PM

#130770

realDonaldTrump

WITCH HUNT!

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12-11-2018 , 02:57 PM

#130771

Matty Lice

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Quote:

Originally Posted by alazo1985

That's my point though. Trump won b/c Hillary ran. And even then it took Comey's memo a week before the election to sink her.

Trump is hugely unpopular. Take a random tweet from 2016 and you'll see thousands of #MAGA morons in the comment section kissing his ass. Look at it now. It's almost everyone telling him he's moron, going to jail, or just laughing at him.

Yea, his base will support him no matter what. I get that. But he's done nothing to capture any votes outside of the deplorables. The only way he wins is if HRC wins the Dem primary again.

12-11-2018 , 02:58 PM

#130772

Namath12

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lol I knew that **** would come back to bite Comey

12-11-2018 , 02:59 PM

#130773

smacc25

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I think pence has been drinking that polluted water.

12-11-2018 , 03:00 PM

#130774

Nicholasp27

27th level thinker

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Quote:

Originally Posted by goofball

Trump is more likely to be president on 1/21/2021 than literally anyone else in the world.

Well obviously, but that doesn’t mean much

He could be a 35/65 dog to win the election but since no individual dem is >50% to be the dem nominee right now (they haven’t even announced they are in the running), then it’s true that no one person is more likely to be president than trump

But if he’s a 35/65 dog then he’s also more unlikely to be president than whomever the dem nominee is