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Originally Posted by 57 On Red
No. Just no. The US is no longer trustworthy so it doesn't matter what Murrcanoids think. Russia has a smaller defence budget than Holland and the RAF alone can shoot the entire Russian air force out of the sky in no time. If America reneges on its treaty obligations we'll just sort it out ourselves. We might need Germany to up its budget and reactivate its mothballed jets and tanks, but we really don't need to rely on the US. You aren't the force that you think you are and your president is a Russian agent.
Russia's defense budget is 10 times higher than Holland. And the RAF could shoot the Russian air force down? Where? Over Russia and Eastern Ukraine, which is where the Russian air force would be operating if they were to fight a war with NATO if they decided to try to annex Eastern Ukraine? It's true that the Russian air force couldn't operate over Western Europe without suffering catastrophic losses but that's not what their air force is designed to do, and that isn't what they would try to do. Their doctrine would be to deny air superiority over the battle ground and rely on their air force and even more their extensive, state of the art SAM systems to do so.
It's true that the Cold War image of dozens of Soviet armored divisions pouring across Western Europe is not possible (if it ever was), but how effective would a US-less NATO be in fighting a war very close to Russia and rather far from their own countries? It's true that Russia can't project power, but to win a war in Ukraine or Georgia it doesn't really have to. The only countries besides the US that have deployed brigade or larger sized formations in war in the past 30 years over a few hundred miles away from home are the UK and France, and they only sent a division each in the Gulf War and the UK sent the same division in the Iraq war. And France and the UK sent a brigade each to Afghanistan. Would they really be prepared to send much more? Compare that to the US deployment to the Iraq war-- roughly six divisions. France and Germany and the UK can project enough force to take on Russia in its own backyard? I doubt it.
Last edited by SenorKeeed; 07-19-2018 at 05:00 PM.