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06-20-2018 , 08:43 AM

#104951

fatkid

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Baby prison was the final straw for my boy Steve.

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06-20-2018 , 08:49 AM

#104952

integratedlift23

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rugby

Regarding low GOP support for baby prisons.

This is temporary, they haven't landed on a consistant alternative fact yet, although you can see them trying.

As soon as they agree. Everyone will just deny that it's happening or that it's a problem and support will go up again.

This.

The troops need marching orders and a common mantra to be passed down from overlords Hannity, Levin, Ingraham, Carlson, and Limbaugh. Once all five have a common narrative then the bigots will unite and you'll see support raise to 80%+.

This happens WITH EVERY SINGLE CONTROVERSIAL GOP ACTION. I debate on a couple online forums and this happens without fail everytime. Posters will stumble and trip over themselves, knowing something is wrong for about 2-3 days after a big story drops. Once the hive mind gets their message ready you'll see everyone walk lockstep and use the same talking points.

06-20-2018 , 08:53 AM

#104953

dth123451

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Europeans are, generally speaking, enormously racist. Versions of Trump are gaining steam in Italy, Germany and France, among other places.

Human beings just ****ing suck. This nonsense has been going on forever.

06-20-2018 , 08:54 AM

#104954

Trolly McTrollson

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Originally Posted by jalfrezi

Ok this gratifying to hear, but does that necessarily mean that their conservatively-raised offspring will be less likely to vote Repub?

There are certainly a disturbing number of young people who’ve become anime Nazi dip****s thanks to places like 4chan, so the derp movement isn’t totally dying off. On the other hand, Millenials are still way more liberal than their parents.

06-20-2018 , 09:31 AM

#104955

master3004

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Quote:

Originally Posted by simplicitus

It's the evangelicals, stupid.

This is why white evangelicals still support Donald Trump. (It’s not economic anxiety.)
https://wapo.st/2K4xrR5

Hey wow, all of us who have been railing against the insanity of hardcore Christianity for decades were right. Which religious group is most dangerous to us as Americans right now, again?

06-20-2018 , 09:34 AM

#104956

master3004

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Quote:

Originally Posted by simplicitus

This is just false. Evangelicals christians have gone from like 25% of population to like 16% in 15 years. There are no reserves and no replacements. If the 2016 vote were held today with all the same voters still alive voting the same way, Hillay would win. I honestly believe that Dems could run anyone in 2020, including Pelosi or Gavin Newsom, and they would win.

Wait, what's wrong with Newsom? He doesn't have the same vitriol against him that Pelosi does, does he?

06-20-2018 , 09:39 AM

#104957

fatkid

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Their just trolling now.

06-20-2018 , 09:45 AM

#104958

fatkid

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Still a racist.

06-20-2018 , 09:59 AM

#104959

uDevil

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Quote:

Originally Posted by simplicitus

Come 2020 enough will be dead that Trump can't win. That said, I hope the next 20 years are spent on recriminations against those Trump supporters who are still living. I'm glad we have social media, because it will serve as a record when they try to flee or excuse their support. Their crimes should not be forgotten or forgiven.

I hope you're right but am not so confident. I thought this was true 20 years ago, but here we are.

06-20-2018 , 10:03 AM

#104960

zikzak

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The Pollyanna view is a huge part of how we ended up here in the first place. Naive optimism is dangerous.

06-20-2018 , 10:15 AM

#104961

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jalfrezi

Can you talk me through how this happens?

AFAIK Nixon was considering a change to the the 22nd Amendment, but is it possible for a President to declare himself President for life by tearing up (which?) parts of the constitution?

Arrest opposition, take over vote counting, arrest opposition, change 22nd, essentially potus for life. Be like Putin.

Or martial law and just ignore constitution.

06-20-2018 , 10:18 AM

#104962

SuperUberBob

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What part of Poland were you in?

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheNewT50

I've been in Europe for almost 2 weeks, and it's now been three people who have cornered me after finding out I'm American and excitedly asking if I'm a Trump supporter. One was in a business setting so I had to be very subdued, but the other two have been incredulous about why I wouldn't support him and commenced to argue with me about MAGA.

I know deplorables are everywhere, but I'm a bit surprised so many of them engage me over here, given that that ~never happens at home.

06-20-2018 , 10:20 AM

#104963

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Quote:

Originally Posted by simplicitus

It's the evangelicals, stupid.

This is why white evangelicals still support Donald Trump. (It’s not economic anxiety.)
https://wapo.st/2K4xrR5

Yes, this is a lot better than "non-college educated whites", but "evangelical" seems to be pretty slippery nowadays and part of the deplorable's identity politics. Jimmy Carter used to be called 'evengelical' iirc, but I'm not sure he, or a younger version anyway, wouldn't avoid that term.

06-20-2018 , 10:24 AM

#104964

GMan42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by microbet

Arrest opposition, take over vote counting, arrest opposition, change 22nd, essentially potus for life. Be like Putin.

Or martial law and just ignore constitution.

I mean as much as I take any possibility seriously and I'm not complacent by any means, this isn't a scenario I'm too worried about. Trump is too old, and he and those around him are largely too dumb to pull it off.

06-20-2018 , 10:25 AM

#104965

TrollyWantACracker

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Quote:

Originally Posted by microbet

Arrest opposition, take over vote counting, arrest opposition, change 22nd, essentially potus for life. Be like Putin.

Or martial law and just ignore constitution.

You could also just make a deal with the Democrats to change the Constitution. That might take some bargaining, but releasing those Tubman 20s would probably get you there.

06-20-2018 , 10:30 AM

#104966

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Quote:

Originally Posted by GMan42

I think that's probably true. Things would be worse already if Trump were just a monster instead of a stupid lazy monster. And thankfully he's kind of old too.

I don't think he'll be potus in 2021.

06-20-2018 , 10:33 AM

#104967

suzzer99

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Nov 9, 2016

06-20-2018 , 10:38 AM

#104968

Matty Lice

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Quote:

Originally Posted by alazo1985

Whole lotta assumption going on ITP.

Just because I am putting out relevant facts without left-wing spin doesn't mean I'm not progressive. I am progressive, for the very reason that the facts overwhelmingly support the progressive point of view. Please don't get in the habit of painting people as deplorables when they go 90% anti-Trump because you end up alienating people that are legitimately on the fence and searching for answers.

"I didn't WANT to vote for Trump. But you were a meanie and FORCED me to!"

Bro, if you support Trump at this point or are "on the fence" you are a craven ghoul.

06-20-2018 , 10:40 AM

#104969

dlk9s

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Quote:

Originally Posted by fatkid

Their just trolling now.

Onion

06-20-2018 , 10:52 AM

#104970

grizy

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Originally Posted by dth123451

Asians, on average, are worse in my experience.

06-20-2018 , 10:55 AM

#104971

grizy

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Quote:

Originally Posted by GMan42

On a more basic level, I am 100% certain the military, courts, Congress, state governments, and every other part of the US government would simply refuse to allow such a coup.

Trump is chipping away at our democratic institutions and norms every single day but he's very far away from taking over the country.

06-20-2018 , 10:58 AM

#104972

chezlaw

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jalfrezi

Though possibly replaced by their newly enfranchised deplorable offspring.

More likely to be significant are the not so old who are ageing. They are probably the demographic most likely to be in the swing zone.

if trump&co ever win over the youth vote the usa is seriously ****ed. Same in Europe.

06-20-2018 , 11:01 AM

#104973

MrWookie

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Quote:

Originally Posted by grizy

Trump is literally violating our Constitution right now, and Congress and every other part of the US government don't care. Trump is flagrantly obstructing justice and wants to be above the law, and Congress and every other part of the US government don't care. Your expectation that they will start caring isn't based on much. If Congress is complicit, they also get to be Congresscritters for life!

06-20-2018 , 11:04 AM

#104974

master3004

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One of the things we aren't discussing here that probably does need to be brought at some point. (Not sure if that point is now or not.) Running these baby jails aren't free. The government isn't just doing it out of the "goodness of their hearts." We know we have a massive for profit jail system here in the states, so who are the contractors running these baby prisons? Who has decided that "Yeah, if we're gonna stick these children in concentration camps, might as well make a buck off the taxpayers dollars in the process."

They should be recognized as just as complicit as everyone else in this ****show.

06-20-2018 , 11:06 AM

#104975

master3004

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Quote:

Originally Posted by grizy

This is astoundingly naive. What are the military and courts doing to stop the ****ing internment camps at our borders?

The military will fall in line, like they always do. Its an organization filled with boot lickers who WANT to be told what to do. They are literally the definition of an authoritarian organization.

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