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05-31-2018 , 09:51 PM

#101901

dth123451

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he is pretty damn fat

05-31-2018 , 10:03 PM

#101902

master3004

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Rachel's opening twenty minutes were fascinating.

05-31-2018 , 10:05 PM

#101903

Trolly McTrollson

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Quote:

Originally Posted by David Sklansky

The ape comment is in a totally different category than any other insults thrown by either side. Because it unfairly and insensitively makes fun of a whole group of people (who have little or no choice whether to be in that group) including and especially children. The only insults that I can remember that are close, are the ones making fun of Sarah Sander's looks.

How's your algebra textbook coming along?

05-31-2018 , 10:08 PM

#101904

Matty Lice

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Quote:

Originally Posted by David Sklansky

David, Phil Ivey is all in. Shouldn't you go back to railbirding?

05-31-2018 , 10:13 PM

#101905

champstark

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Quote:

Originally Posted by microbet

? Not sure if you're trolling, but Roseanne is Jewish, or at least Sartre, Hitler, and Rebbe Schneerson would call her Jewish.

I interpreted goofys comment as mocking the “I’m [insert race here] so I can’t be racist” defense.

But just in case it wasn’t and this has to be said—Roseanne’s Hitler and cookies thing was crazy offensive and the fact that she’s Jewish doesn’t change that.

05-31-2018 , 10:17 PM

#101906

ligastar

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05-31-2018 , 10:28 PM

#101907

goofyballer

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Quote:

Originally Posted by champstark

I wasn't trolling/mocking. Since you were talking about casual use of the n word in an analogous sense, it made sense to point out that in that analogy, Roseanne is black, which is obviously different than a white person using it.

05-31-2018 , 10:32 PM

#101908

MrWookie

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Quote:

Originally Posted by goofyballer

It can be different, but it can still be regrettable. Chris Rock's black people and n-words sketch, for example.

05-31-2018 , 10:35 PM

#101909

fatkid

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Will Kim K help us win this war with Canada?

05-31-2018 , 10:39 PM

#101910

Trolly McTrollson

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It's weird to me that this forum spends so much time trying to parse the subtle difference between "racist" and "inexcusably offensive." Like, idk if a Jewish person making casually gross Holocaust jokes is According To Hoyle a racist or whatever, and the end of the day this is a monstrous person who shouldn't be given a slot on network TV.

05-31-2018 , 10:42 PM

#101911

microbet

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It's different that Roseanne is a Jew imo, but there's some nuance. The issue imo is really intent. If Mel Brooks did the same thing I wouldn't think twice about it. Roseanne is a conspiracy nut and a nut in general and, though this doesn't change whether she's a Jew or not as far as many are concerned it may reflect on what she considers herself, she's been Jewish, Mormon, a born again Christian, and a Kabbalist-Mystic-whatever-Jew.

But, if a non-Jew did it I'd think the most likely explanation would be that they actually want to put Jews in ovens. With Roseanne I'm not sure.

05-31-2018 , 10:52 PM

#101912

goofyballer

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I should add that I was not defending Roseanne and defer to anyone with more knowledge of the history of anti-Semitism in deciding how bad her actions were; I was just pointing out a relevant fact.

05-31-2018 , 10:55 PM

#101913

FlyWf

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Being ethnically or even observantly Jewish is like, maybe a tiebreaker, but when it comes to sharing GEORGE SOROS HELPED THE NAZIS smears it ain't a ****ing tie.

Literally pure identity politics.

05-31-2018 , 11:03 PM

#101914

microbet

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Quote:

Originally Posted by FlyWf

Being ethnically or even observantly Jewish is like, maybe a tiebreaker, but when it comes to sharing GEORGE SOROS HELPED THE NAZIS smears it ain't a ****ing tie.

Literally pure identity politics.

Yeah. The thing is, this wasn't a joke. It wasn't a bad joke. She was being serious.

05-31-2018 , 11:06 PM

#101915

Trolly McTrollson

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Quote:

Originally Posted by goofyballer

I was just pointing out a relevant fact.

Relevant how? If we conclude that she's not technically racist but just horribly offensive and unfunny, how does that change the way we approach her? Seems like a trivial distinction to me as either way she's a piece of **** and her show should be canned.

05-31-2018 , 11:08 PM

#101916

Trolly McTrollson

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Quote:

Originally Posted by FlyWf

Being ethnically or even observantly Jewish is like, maybe a tiebreaker, but when it comes to sharing GEORGE SOROS HELPED THE NAZIS smears it ain't a ****ing tie.

Literally pure identity politics.

I guess give her partial credit for thinking helping the Nazis is a bad thing? I dunno man,some people are way overthinking this ****, this is some 1D chess right right here. Don't dress up as a Nazi. Even the South Park bros understood that.

05-31-2018 , 11:10 PM

#101917

Huehuecoyotl

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I mean it's China, thr hobgoblin of anti globalism and our chief political rival, and he's giving them a pass? It can't be any more obvious.

05-31-2018 , 11:14 PM

#101918

microbet

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

I'm with you on overthinking it for Roseanne. But it's not quite as simple as you're saying.

05-31-2018 , 11:19 PM

#101919

Huehuecoyotl

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Luckily you don't have to worry about Jewish on Jewish satire.

Though she's probably just making it up on the spot to put an ironic twist on it. It's not Jews in the oven, it's Palestinians. Get it?

05-31-2018 , 11:31 PM

#101920

goofyballer

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

Come on dude. Look at champstark's post I quoted (relating this to casual use of the n word) and ask yourself if it's relevant when someone says the n word whether the person saying it is black. For the second time, I'm not defending Roseanne.

05-31-2018 , 11:34 PM

#101921

Trolly McTrollson

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Quote:

Originally Posted by microbet

I'm with you on overthinking it for Roseanne. But it's not quite as simple as you're saying.

I don't think there's really a lot of confusion out there as to what's racist and unacceptable. When deplorables ask "How come Kanye can say the N-word but I can't?" or "How come it isn't racist when Maher calls Trump an orangutan?" they're just gaslighting you, they aren't actually confused. The giveaway is that they always know exactly what button to push when they want to be offensive. Like, Chiefsplanet will swear they don't understand why calling Michelle Obama a monkey is racist, but somehow that's always their go-to insult.

05-31-2018 , 11:41 PM

#101922

suzzer99

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They call her wookie.

05-31-2018 , 11:48 PM

#101923

Hired Goons2

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Quote:

Originally Posted by fatkid

Will Kim K help us win this war with Canada?

Long story, maybe-short story yes with a big but...

05-31-2018 , 11:51 PM

#101924

SuperUberBob

Not interesting enough

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bigt2k4

her network probably forced her to

It's become standard for advertisers to act self-righteous if backlash against a comic is enough to cause a loss of profit.

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Sklansky

You're comparing a comment disparaging an entire race to mocking SHS's eye shadow.

You're an insufferable person.

Quote:

Originally Posted by microbet

There's no doubt jokes have to be considered within context. If Springtime for Hitler was released as an actual Broadway play in real life, it'd be horribly offensive and not funny at all. When it's used as a scheme to rip people off in The Producers, it's funny.

Only problem with that response is that people can use it dishonestly as a cover for actual racism and bigotry.