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02-14-2017 , 05:33 PM

#9051

Clovis8

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Originally Posted by suzzer99

This x a million. I'm glad GG is out there. But he has some pretty serious biases when it comes to his buddies.

Greenwald is pretty regularily for whatever policy results in the most exposure and public openness. He lives by the mantra information wants to be free.

This is a good stance 99.99% of the time.

02-14-2017 , 05:34 PM

#9052

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02-14-2017 , 05:34 PM

#9053

DisGunBGud

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Originally Posted by Riverman

Remember how the grab the pussy tape was forgotten in like two days and Trumpkins were right back at it? As long as he keeps up the racism, they won't bail on him. Ever.

But will Trump wear down if they don't? That's a possibility as well.

02-14-2017 , 05:37 PM

#9054

ClarkNasty

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I mean.....all anyone has reasonably shown is it's a phishing scheme. But the dialogue was as if this was something far greater and more nefarious. And if so, we have seen zero reason to believe such.

02-14-2017 , 05:39 PM

#9055

5ive

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Originally Posted by Inso0

I see now that this must be what it was like to be a Dem under Obama.

I'm excited that you guys are excited. It's a little unclear as to why this is such a big deal, but maybe you can help me out.

Does someone want to chime in with the cliff notes on why we care about Michael Flynn? As best I can tell, he is accused of talking to the Russian Ambassador after the election but before inauguration, which is not cool, but the conversations were already investigated and nothing of substance came up.

Also, why are we upset about improving relations with Russia? Ever since the election, "Russia" has been the go-to buzzword for controversy, a la McCarthyism and "communist."

Or are we still operating under the theory that Trump is a Manchurian Candidate and you think this is the first crack in the foundation that leads to the ultimate collapse and retroactive installment of HRC as POTUS?

Because I gotta be honest with you, this seems like the sort of thing that is gonna be old news in a week when Trump drops an F-bomb during some presser.

So what happens next?

02-14-2017 , 05:41 PM

#9056

champstark

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Are you ****ing kidding me with this ****?

02-14-2017 , 05:41 PM

#9057

Pwn_Master

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Originally Posted by Clovis8

Greenwald is pretty regularily for whatever policy results in the most exposure and public openness. He lives by the mantra information wants to be free.

This is a good stance 99.99% of the time.

He is moron if he can't see a problem with dumping the truck and even promoting bizarre conspiracy theories on one side, and saying I would LOVE, LOVE, LOVE to leak info on the other side but their systems are too secure, shucks!

Then rinse and repeat to try to take down every liberal establishment vs. right-wing nationalist in the world, no, its horrible 99.99% of the time and leads to waaf in pretty short order.

02-14-2017 , 05:43 PM

#9058

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Originally Posted by ClarkNasty

The DNC was not hacked by a phishing scheme.

02-14-2017 , 05:43 PM

#9059

Mayo

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Chris Christie for NSA would be fun.

02-14-2017 , 05:45 PM

#9060

Minirra

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Originally Posted by Pwn_Master

This sort of thing is why Assange/WikiLeaks is and has always has been a joke. Also the irony here is off the charts

02-14-2017 , 05:46 PM

#9061

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Originally Posted by Clovis8

Greenwald is pretty regularily for whatever policy results in the most exposure and public openness. He lives by the mantra information wants to be free.

This is a good stance 99.99% of the time.

I think we saw with Hillary's e-mails that it's true a lot less than 99.9%.

I'm neutral on Snowden, but I routinely took Obama's side over GG in his heyday.

02-14-2017 , 05:47 PM

#9062

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Originally Posted by champstark

Are you ****ing kidding me with this ****?

truly disgusting

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02-14-2017 , 05:48 PM

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02-14-2017 , 05:48 PM

#9064

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Originally Posted by CalledDownLight

The issue with this is its a lose/lose/lose for Trump. One of the following is true:

-Trump should have known about these conversations and didn't because the government wasn't operating properly (incompetency)
-Trump did know and lied about it (illegality for his involvement and immorality for the lying)
-Trump was purposefully insulated from them to protect him (immorality and possibly illegality on his part and almost certainly on the part of others)

There is no scenario where Trump's (non-)involvement is excusable.

I mean, is there anything more probable than the bolded given what we know about Trump? Is a guy like Flynn, working for a notorious micro-manager-turned-President-elect, going to decide all on his own to give a call to his Russiabros and talk sanctions without Trump knowing if not explicitly ordering him to do so?

Even Spicer's explanation makes no sense when you try to fully flesh it out. I touched on this upthread but this lolbiased article explains it better than I could http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/0...make-any-sense

Quote:

It's probably a little late for us to be surprised at the contents of a White House press briefing, but it needs to be re-emphasized: Sean Spicer's explanation of Trump national security adviser Michael Flynn's resignation doesn't make any sense. And that's a problem.

Spicer's narrative of events is quite specific. First, that Michael Flynn did absolutely nothing "wrong or inappropriate" in discussing Russian sanctions with "his Russian counterpart," which according to Spicer would have been within Flynn's "duties." Most specifically, Spicer repeated, there was no "legal issue" with the conversations.

The second part of Spicer's version of events: Even though Michael Flynn did absolutely nothing wrong during those conversations, his resignation stems from losing the White House's "trust" after repeatedly lying about those appropriate, legal conversations to other members of the White House, including Vice President Mike Pence.

That doesn't make any sense. Michael Flynn, one of the top advisers on Trump's security team, repeatedly went out of his way to mislead other members of the administration about perfectly normal, run-of-the-mill conversations with a Russian diplomat? He would eagerly risk scandal (and, in fact, his entire career) to give Mike Pence the run-around on a diplomatic conversation that, according to Spicer, was fully within the scope of Flynn's transition duties?

For what reason? Why was misleading Mike Pence important, here? Did he just do it for fun? As an act of contempt? Spicer could have gone with Flynn's own half-justification, suggesting that Flynn simply didn't remember the conversation very well and so misspoke to the rest of the staff, but Spicer very pointedly didn't do that, instead over and over framing the Flynn statements as cause for a presidential "loss of trust."

02-14-2017 , 05:49 PM

#9065

th14

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Greenwald denounced Buzzfeed publishing the Trump dossier compiled by a former MI6 agent, passed around D.C. for months. So much for information wanting to be free, transparency etc.

02-14-2017 , 05:51 PM

#9066

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Namath12

the thing is that we don't even have to guess which one it is. It might be the one you think it is, but literally every possibility is unacceptable.

02-14-2017 , 05:52 PM

#9067

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Originally Posted by champstark

Are you ****ing kidding me with this ****?

Rockwell's corpse has to be doing at least 1,000 RPM.

02-14-2017 , 05:54 PM

#9068

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Originally Posted by Inso0

Seems to me he either actually lied about something substantial, or it was too inconvenient to keep him around with all the media heat.

I hope it's the first one. We can't be setting a precedent 3 weeks in that media ****storms can get members of the administration kicked out.

ACORN says hi.

02-14-2017 , 05:55 PM

#9069

SuperUberBob

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GG trying real hard not to come off as a hypocrite in that article but in the end he does.

He spent the last 2 months lambasting Dems for using Cold War tactics to harm the Trump administration and then commends those exact actions of the anonymous sources for bringing him down.

Hope he learns that anonymity when revealing information does not always correlate with lying.

02-14-2017 , 05:55 PM

#9070

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So the probability of nearly everything in that MI6 Trump dossier being true is what now?

And if it is, when will it be discovered and how soon after would impeachment proceedings begin?

02-14-2017 , 05:59 PM

#9071

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Originally Posted by bbfg

Nobody cares about her emails. Trump won. Using the argument 'BUT CLINTON WAS WORSE' does not make sense after she has lost but every Trump supporter keeps using it to justify Trump's actions. If your only argument to defend Trump's actions is 'BUT CLINTON WAS WORSE' you are also not fooling anyone who has half a brain.

Plus she wasn't worth and nothing connected to either her emails or the Clinton Foundation is anywhere near as bad as pretty much anything Trump has ever done, and certainly nothing compared to what he's already tried to pull since becoming POTUS.

I mean, the guy probably commits more ethical violations before breakfast every day than she's done in her entire career.

02-14-2017 , 06:01 PM

#9072

Namath12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by th14

Greenwald denounced Buzzfeed publishing the Trump dossier compiled by a former MI6 agent, passed around D.C. for months. So much for information wanting to be free, transparency etc.

I find myself agreeing with GG around 90% of the time, BUT I think he needs to decide whether he wants to be a muckraker or a legitimate journalist. He tries really hard to be both and often comes across as neither, as your example indicates.

02-14-2017 , 06:06 PM

#9073

Max Cut

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Hopefully this is not fake news.

02-14-2017 , 06:13 PM

#9074

RV Life

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sighsalot

All of CNN has been excellent IMO and deserve credit for standing up to an authoritarian regime imo

**** CNN. They didn't get their act together until after Trump called them fake news. They literally hired 2 people in Trump's inner circle to lie over and over again before the election.

02-14-2017 , 06:13 PM

#9075

SuperUberBob

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Namath12

GG isn't a journalist. He's more of a glorified blogger. To be honest, I find it weird that he wants to be considered a journalist when all he does is bash journalists and journalism in general.

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