The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. - Page 3623 - Politics and Economics

Earlier you claimed that Trump was being blackmailed by Putin. This is an extraordinary claim. When asked to provide evidence, you demurred. This is the sort of thing I'm talking about. You're accepting anonymous leaks from the CIA as fact. Treating anonymously-leaked reports from the American intelligence services credulously has, in the past, not worked out so great.

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Pretend it's a rainbow. I'm colorblind.

I don't plan on playing a standards of evidence game with you. 1) I list something, 2) you say it's not as solid as a video of Trump saying he's being blackmailed, 3) rinse & repeat indefinitely.

The point is, you're the one being extraordinary by acting as if I'm the first person to claim it looks like Putin has something(s) on Trump. I guess the media, cartoonists, Twitter pundits, former and current intelligence officials, Congresspeople with access to classified info, writers, etc. etc. see no evidence of blackmail either, and it's just one giant group hallucination.

03-31-2018 , 11:30 AM

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If Trump is being blackmailed, which certainly looks like the case, the incriminating evidence against him would pre-date his term in office. A piss tape would be from 2013, money laundering from earlier, and any hidden events or actions from campaign officials were from 2015 and 2016. Mueller definitely knows what's what better than we do. If Trump committed more incriminating offenses after inauguration, that would just be icing on the cake.

Incrimination dates aside, Trump's partiality to Putin and Russia has been continuous, and certainly occurs in office during his term. The occasions are in the dozens at least, and his overall attitude is an impediment to national security among many other appropriate responses to their foreign aggression.

This is what you're claiming you provided as "evidence"? It's laughable.

It's true that cartoonists, twitter pundits, and anonymous US intelligence leakers have all said they think Trump is being blackmailed by the Russians. But that's not evidence. All I asked was to see what evidence there is.

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03-31-2018 , 11:35 AM

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This is what you're claiming you provided as "evidence"? It's laughable.

I never claimed that was evidence. You just claimed it for me now.

I claim that's part of a post I made.

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It's true that cartoonists, twitter pundits, and anonymous US intelligence leakers have all said they think Trump is being blackmailed by the Russians. But that's not evidence. All I asked was to see what evidence there is.

I didn't claim that was evidence either, all I said was these people see the evidence too. Stop putting words in my mouth, because I will keeeeeep calling you on it.

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03-31-2018 , 11:37 AM

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The evidentiary rules of 2p2 politics are a perpetual mystery. And I don't even remember doing a discovery phase.

03-31-2018 , 11:38 AM

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I never claimed that was evidence. You just claimed it for me now.

I claim that's part of a post I made.

OK. So I guess I missed the evidence you provided that Trump is being blackmailed. Could you quote that post?

03-31-2018 , 11:41 AM

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Without proof, we have to be open to the possibility that trump os not being blackmailed because putin/kremlin are not yet employing the kompromat they most certainly have on him and instead he is just a useful idiot or fully complicit participant.

03-31-2018 , 11:43 AM

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For those who don't know Steve Schmidt, who is a republican.

https://twitter.com/RVAwonk/status/9...700652544?s=19

03-31-2018 , 11:47 AM

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I didn't claim that was evidence either, all I said was these people see the evidence too. Stop putting words in my mouth, because I will keeeeeep calling you on it.

what ****ing evidence? What's this evidence you're all so convinced by? I mean if it was enough to convince cartoonists and twitter pundits, why not just lay it out there man?

03-31-2018 , 11:48 AM

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Certainly possible. Less plausible IMO but definitely possible.

That said, where's your evidence for this "most certain" kompromat?

03-31-2018 , 11:50 AM

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So many previous attacks? Russia tried to murder an exchanged spy (that the US traded captured Russian spies for) in an allied country. That's a far more serious than what, doing some social media?

Got any evidence of this?

03-31-2018 , 11:51 AM

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My favorite part of the Steve Schmidt rants (there are several) is that he never breaks character. In the clip above, he's got like 5 people rolling and he just keeps pounding away.

03-31-2018 , 11:53 AM

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Whoever cares about how Russian actions in EU and US fit in with its ideology and the storyline it sells its people needs to listen to Trumpcast pod a few days ago with professor who studies totalitarianism.

03-31-2018 , 11:55 AM

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For those who don't know Steve Schmidt, who is a republican.

https://twitter.com/RVAwonk/status/9...700652544?s=19

Dude's twitter is pretty lit. And he cuts a mean promo. LOL @ "1927 Yankees of incompetence."

03-31-2018 , 11:58 AM

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Dude's twitter is pretty lit. And he cuts a mean promo.

Another similar Republican is Rick Wilson. He's a follow of mine.

03-31-2018 , 12:11 PM

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For those who don't know Steve Schmidt, who is a republican.

https://twitter.com/RVAwonk/status/9...700652544?s=19

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My favorite part of the Steve Schmidt rants (there are several) is that he never breaks character. In the clip above, he's got like 5 people rolling and he just keeps pounding away.

Sobering at the end.

As we get close to the hour of tragedy that will inevitably come from these type of people around an office where life and death decisions are made.

*gulp*

03-31-2018 , 12:17 PM

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Do people like Schmidt and Wilson still call themselves "Republicans"?

Pretty pathetic if so imo.

03-31-2018 , 12:31 PM

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Your thesis is that Eastern Europe is pissed off at the US for interfering in their politics. But then shouldn't they be far more pissed off at Russia because of its interference?

No, it's that they are pissed off at the US for interfering in many countries' politics and by invading some countries often for profit (Britain also catches flak for this). Compare with Russia.

03-31-2018 , 12:32 PM

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Do people like Schmidt and Wilson still call themselves "Republicans"?

Pretty pathetic if so imo.

That just shows how extreme things have been under Trump and a fully Republican administration. Even the right sounds left.

But contrary to popular belief in a highly divided society, it's possible to be extremely anti-Trump and not be extremely liberal at the same time. For example, I only lean left. I'm about 30% Republican, 30% Libertarian, and 40% Democrat. Friends of mine on the left have thought I was a Republican because of some of the things I say. But Trump really makes me wanna puke. That doesn't turn me more blue.

The general public makes this mistake all the time. I think it's because so many of the appalling things Trump does aren't related to policy making. Non-partisan national security type, or morality based offenses are commonplace in Trump's 2018 America.

03-31-2018 , 01:01 PM

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No, it's that they are pissed off at the US for interfering in many countries' politics and by invading some countries often for profit (Britain also catches flak for this). Compare with Russia.

Russia also dicks around and invades other countries but somehow the former Eastern Bloc nations are okay with it?

03-31-2018 , 01:06 PM

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Sobering at the end.

As we get close to the hour of tragedy that will inevitably come from these type of people around an office where life and death decisions are made.

*gulp*

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Dude's twitter is pretty lit. And he cuts a mean promo. LOL @ "1927 Yankees of incompetence."

Except this time it's literally Murderer's Row.

03-31-2018 , 01:18 PM

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Russia also dicks around and invades other countries but somehow the former Eastern Bloc nations are okay with it?

The USSR certainly did, but no one in Eastern Europe is daft enough to confuse that regime with present day Russia.

Russia have with Crimea, but that is seen as an old territorial dispute more than an energy grab.

03-31-2018 , 01:33 PM

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what do the republicans have to offer these days that even earns 40% of your affiliation?

03-31-2018 , 01:50 PM

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what do the republicans have to offer these days that even earns 40% of your affiliation?

You mean 30%? It's been a breakdown of my political beliefs for a long time, so I guess I should have said traditional Republican. Today's Republicans are a joke.