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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

02-20-2018 , 01:05 PM
Russian trolls actively pining for pardons itt
02-20-2018 , 01:06 PM
Why would a lawyer lie for his client? Why risk getting charged and disbarred?

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/20/polit...tes/index.html
02-20-2018 , 01:11 PM
The disbarment is worth less to him than the good graces of his oligarch father in law maybe?
02-20-2018 , 01:18 PM
Perhaps he doesn't want to get polonium'd.
02-20-2018 , 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by poconoder
On the pardon issue Trump should follow the lead of Bush commuting Scooter Libby's jail time.

You wait for the case to go forward and then you correct excesses with the pardoning power. A commutation may be better than a pardon in cases like Manafort and Gates.

With Scooter Libby the excess was a judge issue. The judge knew his sentence would be overturned on appeal so he decided to force Scooter into jail immediately before he had a chance for appeal.

Bush made the right call on that little bit of judicial misconduct.
Should you really be commenting on politics after your indictment?
02-20-2018 , 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Disagree. The court system goes overboard with some frequency, and there's not really another mechanism for wiping out the sentence of someone who committed a crime that's now no longer a crime. It's only ridiculous that it is an unchecked power. Congress should be able to veto a pardon at a 66 or 75% threshold.
This seems like a reasonable compromise
02-20-2018 , 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Namath12
This seems like a reasonable compromise
Even that won't work. You'll get some black guy innocent on DNA evidence being pardoned and some soulless ghouls in the GOP won't approve it out of fear of pissing off their base.
02-20-2018 , 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Matty Lice
Even that won't work. You'll get some black guy innocent on DNA evidence being pardoned and some soulless ghouls in the GOP won't approve it out of fear of pissing off their base.
You think Republicans can routinely get 2/3 in both houses for any exonerated black guy?
02-20-2018 , 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Matty Lice
Lol so Trump's strategy is since he's tougher on Russia (LOL) than Obama, if there was any collusion, it had to come from Obama.
before long trump is going to claim he was the first black president
02-20-2018 , 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by poconoder
Lots of people don't even get charged for Perjury. It's very discretionary by prosecutors. If Mueller goes overboard with every one telling a lie being prosecuted to the max, that would be an excess.

I get that not many people here care about prosecutor overreach when it comes to Trump, you want to burn down everything and to hell with the casualties if it has a chance to get Trump out of office.
Comrade,

It is pretty clear that Mueller is making it very clear they already know a lot before they talk to you so if you are going to lie you are taking a big chance.

By the way prosecuting for perjury in the United States is not prosecutorial overrreach like it may be in the motherland. It is just not a reasonable use of resources given how often it occurs. Lying about Poconder’s country messing with American elections is given a higher level of interest.

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02-20-2018 , 02:40 PM
lol morons who wanted Hillary jailed for a ****ing e-mail server think prosecuting for perjury is "overreach"
02-20-2018 , 02:44 PM
02-20-2018 , 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by eyebooger
"It’s necessary to let people from Red America lead the way, and to show respect to gun owners at all points"

Red America had its chance to lead the way after Columbine or after Newtown or after a bazillion other school shootings. **** off.
Well said.
02-20-2018 , 02:49 PM
I can't really watch Frank Luntz interviews, it is too scary how stupid the people living in this country are. It really makes one wonder if they will be living in this country the rest of their life.

Do they purposefully find clueless people for those things or is that a legitimate representation?

Last edited by Onlydo2days; 02-20-2018 at 02:57 PM.
02-20-2018 , 02:55 PM
We all know ultimately Emma Gonzalez is going to be deported even though an American.
02-20-2018 , 03:02 PM


Gee, I wonder if Tucker will make good?
02-20-2018 , 03:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by poconoder
On the pardon issue Trump should follow the lead of Bush commuting Scooter Libby's jail time.

You wait for the case to go forward and then you correct excesses with the pardoning power. A commutation may be better than a pardon in cases like Manafort and Gates.

With Scooter Libby the excess was a judge issue. The judge knew his sentence would be overturned on appeal so he decided to force Scooter into jail immediately before he had a chance for appeal.

Bush made the right call on that little bit of judicial misconduct.
WTF? Valerie Plame's husband exposed the GWB of manufacturing the case for WMDs in order to make the Iraq war happened. She also developed an operation at the CIA to get conclusive evidence that Saddam Hussein had no active WMD program, which the Bush administration ignored.
As a consequence, her cover was intentionally blown by Scooter Libby so that she'd lose her job at the CIA and then he lied about it under oath.

The Iraq war then led to the deaths of 5000+ US military members (whom the right wing pretends to care about) and untold hundreds of thousands of Iraqis. And all over phony WMD's that were never there in the first place.

Libby should STILL be in jail.

Bush too.
02-20-2018 , 03:09 PM
Holy **** that Vice video. His tweets are brilliant? "He needs to grow up!" Umm...he's 70, not 17.

A special LOL at the dude trying to whitesplain how "We all hated the black guy."
02-20-2018 , 03:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Onlydo2days
I can't really watch Frank Luntz interviews, it is too scary how stupid the people living in this country are. It really makes one wonder if they will be living in this country the rest of their life.

Do they purposefully find clueless people for those things or is that a legitimate representation?
I'm sure it's legit for the most part. The average Trumpkin won't tell a non Trumpkin what they really think. In this situation, they feel emboldened since they have similar beliefs.
02-20-2018 , 03:30 PM
How did focus groups become Luntz "thing"

He doesn't seem particularly skilled or adept at asking the right questions or anything, and he looks very comical in general. Look at his sneakers!
02-20-2018 , 03:35 PM
That one guy coming with cold hard facts like black unemployment of 50% during Obama
02-20-2018 , 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Onlydo2days
How did focus groups become Luntz "thing"

He doesn't seem particularly skilled or adept at asking the right questions or anything
He's good at messaging, his polling stuff seems like a side gig where he just sells the "right" polling results to his clients.
02-20-2018 , 03:50 PM
So many cringe moments in a 3 minute video. We're doomed. Faux News stays winning.
02-20-2018 , 03:52 PM
"Refuse to testify and you're imprisoned...forever?"

Well, if you die they don't keep your dead body locked up. But, yeah - at the discretion of the judge.

I'm aware of an Illinois case where a gang member in a drug trial caught a 20 year (explicit) term for refusal to testify and AFAIK it stood up on appeal. But apparently there are cases where people have spent years locked up. How long forever is depends on your point of view, I suppose.

MM MD
02-20-2018 , 04:14 PM
That focus group in vice went exactly as expected lol.

      
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