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02-06-2018 , 03:35 PM

#79426

ScreaminAsian

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i think it's tough to say how many actual isis members there are or have been killed because the only people who would know for sure is ISIS and idk why they would broadcast that information it would probably make them look bad

02-06-2018 , 03:39 PM

#79427

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The obvious absurdity clearly invites the question of what are our goals? Is it peace or perpetual war? I don't know if it's conscious or just one of those things where an idea that makes some people rich and others secure in their power just coincidentally seems like a great idea, but either way effectively I think the reason in perpetual war.

02-06-2018 , 03:39 PM

#79428

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Pentagon confirms airstrike killed more than 100 civilians in Mosul, blames ISIS explosives

The blast killed two Islamic State snipers and 105 civilians, including four in an adjacent house in western Mosul’s al-Jadida district, the summary said. Thirty-six additional civilians who were allegedly killed could not be accounted for, because of “insufficient evidence to determine their status or whereabouts.” In the days after the strike, some reports said that more than 200 bodies were pulled from the rubble.

2 known enemy combatants + 1 bomb = 200+ dead.

if i were the NYPD police chief that's not the response to 2 snipers on a rooftop that i would take.

02-06-2018 , 03:43 PM

#79429

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Originally Posted by ScreaminAsian

And they probably don't know how many 12 year olds they've conscripted either.

02-06-2018 , 03:45 PM

#79430

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After allowing states to impose work requirements for Medicaid enrollees, the Trump administration is now pondering lifetime limits on adults’ access to coverage.

Capping health care benefits — like federal welfare benefits — would be a first for Medicaid, the joint state-and-federal health plan for low-income and disabled Americans.

If approved, the dramatic policy change would recast government-subsidized health coverage as temporary assistance by placing a limit on the number of months adults have access to Medicaid benefits.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/poli...198549039.html

02-06-2018 , 03:46 PM

#79431

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Originally Posted by microbet

Good post.

Put another way-- asking the question "how many civilian casualties = 1 ISIS casualty" presupposes that ISIS is worth killing because they have a significant impact on either Americans' safety (a claim I'm nowhere near convinced of), or middle eastern residents' safety (which, if you really care about this, take in more refugees).

02-06-2018 , 03:46 PM

#79432

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Originally Posted by microbet

mowing the lawn. The metaphor is as accurate as it is dehumanizing.

02-06-2018 , 03:49 PM

#79433

ScreaminAsian

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Originally Posted by Paul D

Lol, the House just gave Sloppy Steve another week to comply with the subpoena.

oh that's nice of them. i'm sure he's just getting the truth in order

02-06-2018 , 03:49 PM

#79434

superleeds

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Originally Posted by pokerodox

Certainly not. It is absolutely below 1:1. How far below I don't know. Maybe 10:1? I know I can get flamed for this, but I'm willing to have the conversation.

How many is ok for you, ScreaminAsian? Microbet has said zero, at least in some circumstances.

I have some sympathy for your point of view but I think its extremely naive to imagination there are many (if any) situations where on a bombing raid to take out the bad guys this ratio or anywhere near it would exist.

My point being if you think DT's way is better than BO's you need to accept that the ratio is going to way way worse than 10 bad guys to 1 good guy. You need to be honest with yourself of how many innocents DT's strategy is really killing per bad guy if you are going to argue its acceptable. I don't think you are from what you've written so far.

02-06-2018 , 03:49 PM

#79435

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Originally Posted by pokerodox

OK, so you do take the extreme position. I say that with respect, not mocking.

I think killing ISIS with bombs was a good thing. Maybe we should be done with that for now, since most of the land is taken back already.

derp

02-06-2018 , 03:52 PM

#79436

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even if its 10 terrorist to 1 civilian.

that 1 civilian has lots of family members

now you have more terrorist

02-06-2018 , 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by MonsterJMcgee

any chance this is all just posturing for his base? Like, "guys I'm not ratting on Daddy! Look!"

Nope. The WH is actively preventing him from testifying (unless "testifying" = "answering questions that the WH wrote") because this is all a hoax and they are totally innocent obv

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02-06-2018 , 04:00 PM

#79438

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Originally Posted by Jiggymike

Trump and his administration 100% care less about Muslim civilians. They have literally attempted to implement policies based around this ie a travel ban to keep out Muslims and let in Christians.

see you and i raise you

http://thehill.com/homenews/administ...s-are-priority

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The United States could prioritize the resettlement of Christian refugees over members of other religious groups, President Trump said on Friday.

02-06-2018 , 04:06 PM

#79439

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Originally Posted by pokerodox

Also absurd.

You're implying that I (or the admin?) care less about Muslim civilians. Not true, at least for me. We need to win the hearts and minds - of whom? The moderate Muslims. I have said it many times.

This war is like the Cold War. We have to fight the hot parts where it flares up. We have to win the war of ideas in the meantime. Amount of civilian casualties is very important.

Pwn_Master had a better criticism. I don't read enough. Stick with that.

Bolded is particularly funny coming from someone who voted for the guy advocating for a ban on all muslims entering the US.

02-06-2018 , 04:11 PM

#79440

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Originally Posted by uke_master

mowing the lawn. The metaphor is as accurate as it is dehumanizing.

Maybe, but seeding, fertilizing and watering it at the same time.

02-06-2018 , 04:15 PM

#79441

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Originally Posted by microbet

Maybe, but seeding, fertilizing and watering it at the same time.

where DO all these terrorists come from?

Its a god damn mystery to me

02-06-2018 , 04:20 PM

#79442

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We need to win hearts and minds so lets have a frank discussion on a pragmatic approach to civilians as collateral damage. I guess our best starting point is what would be acceptable to us -- 10%, 1%, I dunno. /sarc

02-06-2018 , 04:20 PM

#79443

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Originally Posted by ScreaminAsian

U.S. military acknowledges strike on Mosul site where more than 100 were allegedly killed
now imagine this scenario:

armed gunmen take a movie theater full of hostages in los angeles. they've got demands, police have surrounded the building. the gunmen are like, "you're too close!" and fire at the police. next thing you know the air force comes in and levels the entire movie theater killing everyone. do you like that solution? it sounds pretty unimaginable when you cast the characters as people you might know

Pokerdox prefers people who weren't captured.

02-06-2018 , 04:21 PM

#79444

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so good

lol

02-06-2018 , 04:53 PM

#79445

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Originally Posted by Paul D

Lol, the House just gave Sloppy Steve another week to comply with the subpoena.

What are the chances Daddy is using Bannon as a test of defying Mueller's subpoena? I wonder how much he'd have to pay Bannon to get him to agree to bring the guinea pig.

Edit: my pony got used as a guinea pig. I guess that's exactly what they're doing.

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02-06-2018 , 05:03 PM

#79446

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Trump: I'd love to see a shutdown

02-06-2018 , 05:10 PM

#79447

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Trump: I'd love to see a shutdown

This guy is amazing. It just never ever ends.

02-06-2018 , 05:12 PM

#79448

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Originally Posted by Johnny Truant

$35? What a joke way to spend your tax savings. That's like two movies, or an achohol with a women, or half a Costco. Lol deplorables.

Or 24 weeks worth of $1.50 tax breaks. Rest easy, Trumpers, you will be given two useless gold cards per year in exchange for letting the wealthy get $1.5T, and you'll have $8 left over. Just the best deal!

By the way, show that gold card at Trump tower, and you can get a Cinco de Mayo taco bowl for, what a coincidence, just $8.