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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

02-09-2017 , 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
RV, those were primary numbers which skew higher.
Household income can be misleading too. If I had to pick a financial situation between a random Trump or Sanders supporter I would chose the Sanders pool despite the lower average. Trump you probably get a family of 4 person with two moderate lower skilled 50 year old earners, Sanders would get you a 31 year old college educated single person with a brighter future.
02-09-2017 , 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by RV Life
It really doesn't matter who runs in 2020 for Democrats. As long as the economy doesn't crash and people keep their 401k plans healthy, the GOP will win again. It's been shown time and time again that the average voter doesn't give a flying **** about anyone other than themselves when it comes to voting. The GOP base needs to be HURT economically in the next 4 years for the Dems to have a shot.
Sadly enough, most of voters just aren't educated enough to realize some of the things happening should piss them of. Not talking about Trumps base especially here.

Who knows exactly how the division of power works and why we do have it in place. Or how has actually enough insights to understand that creating new laws means to bring together docents of different interests to the lowest common denominator. To many people get theirs news from tabloid newspapers and schools fail to teach how states and democracy works.
02-09-2017 , 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by RV Life
It really doesn't matter who runs in 2020 for Democrats. As long as the economy doesn't crash and people keep their 401k plans healthy, the GOP will win again. It's been shown time and time again that the average voter doesn't give a flying **** about anyone other than themselves when it comes to voting. The GOP base needs to be HURT economically in the next 4 years for the Dems to have a shot.
Pretty bad take here. Trump barely won an election against the literal nut low, worst possible Democratic candidate, with low voter turnout/engagement among non-Republicans and two independents siphoning votes from the Dem. And that was before anyone had got the chance to see what kind of President he would be, which turns out to be objectively completely ****ing terrible (regardless of actual policy).

If he repeals Obamacare, that hurts average Republican voters. So will his tax proposals (or at the very least, it won't help them). When millions of well paying manufacturing jobs don't appear out of nowhere, some people will lose faith. The 'drain the swamp' stuff has already been shown to be a joke. He's been in office for 3 weeks and embarrasses the nation literally every day. He's using the office of the Presidency to promote his daughter's ****ty fashion line. He's deliriously, nakedly corrupt. Again, it's been 3 weeks. You don't think this stuff will have a cumulative effect over 4 years?

Of course, he will still get 40% of the vote regardless of what happens, because it's safe to say at this point that 40% of Americans are awful, stupid people. But that's not enough.

The only way I can see a plausible path to reelection is if there are several major terror attacks, at which point things will get really ugly, or if they start disenfranchising non-white voters by the millions, which seems impossible but who knows at this point.
02-09-2017 , 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Kafja
or if they start disenfranchising non-white voters by the millions, which seems impossible.
I wish I shared this optimism.
02-09-2017 , 02:18 PM
The Trump-Ivanka-Nordstrom stuff is bad, but it doesn't seem that the public cares a ton about his conflicts of interest, and his base most definitely doesn't care. Maybe try something more like:

"It is a disgrace that this so-called President is attacking our American system of capitalism. Won't even let a great USA #1 company make its own business decisions. BAD!"
02-09-2017 , 02:21 PM
Scenario: after a terrorist attack, Trump tweets out incendiary stuff that helps fan the flames to mass violence against Muslims. Twitter suspends his account permanently. How much does this neuter him? Take away twitter and does Trump even make a run in the 2016 primaries?
02-09-2017 , 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
Scenario: after a terrorist attack, Trump tweets out incendiary stuff that helps fan the flames to mass violence against Muslims. Twitter suspends his account permanently. How much does this neuter him? Take away twitter and does Trump even make a run in the 2016 primaries?
He still loves the rallies too much.
Also:
02-09-2017 , 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
Scenario: after a terrorist attack, Trump tweets out incendiary stuff that helps fan the flames to mass violence against Muslims. Twitter suspends his account permanently. How much does this neuter him? Take away twitter and does Trump even make a run in the 2016 primaries?
In this scenario Trump would obviously nationalize Twitter for "American safety" and use it to round up dissenters.
02-09-2017 , 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
I'd vote for Warren 2020. She'd be a great candidate. Of course it's still early but I'd love to see her at least enter the primary.
What we need is a primary where a candidate doesn't get 300+ endorsements from day one before any vote has been cast. We need to be able to have candidates not be afraid of entering the damn primary. Also, how about a candidate with less baggage and hate than Clinton? It really does not matter that everyone on the left recognized that Benghazi etc. was bull**** because too many people voting in the general clearly didn't. We literally nominated a candidate that had decades of hate leveled at her! We like to intellectualize too much on the left and think that everyone thinks these things through....they don't!

It's way too early to tell with Warren or anyone and it would all depend on what kind of campaign they run. Maybe in 4 years it's enough to just be the person running against Trump and that wins handily. If it is Pence then the situation changes drastically.
02-09-2017 , 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by otatop
In this scenario Trump would obviously nationalize Twitter for "American safety" and use it to round up dissenters.
Twitter gonna need nationalizing soon given its inability to make money. Dorsey needs Trump more than Trump needs him going forward.
02-09-2017 , 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by CalledDownLight
Warren would lose the finance vote which Hillary seemed to do surprisingly well in (compared to Democratic norms). I don't have data for how Hillary fared, but it will definitely be substantially better than Warren ever could in a scenario where America is still standing and the election is going to be fair and contested.
LOL. Oh no! The Dems might only win NY by 21% instead of 22%!
02-09-2017 , 02:50 PM
Wonder what kind of chaos would ensue if Twitter actually did ban Trump's account?
02-09-2017 , 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by campfirewest
A centrist who appeals to the middle is the only way Dems can win.
02-09-2017 , 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Dominic
Wonder what kind of chaos would ensue if Twitter actually did ban Trump's account?
Trumpkins would boycott?
02-09-2017 , 02:59 PM
I would love to see him get banned from twitter. God that would be hilarious.
02-09-2017 , 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Riverman
Drowning in Russian whore piss


I'm using my life 'one time'


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02-09-2017 , 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Dominic
Wonder what kind of chaos would ensue if Twitter actually did ban Trump's account?
Tens of thousands less eastern euro bots
02-09-2017 , 03:05 PM
Trump fighting with McCain again. GOOD!

Conway and white house breaking the conflict laws again. JOYOUS!

Trump lying again this time about his nominee because he's furious. NOT SAD!


overall seems like a great anti trump day.


The republicans have to slowly be getting closer and closer to ask for president Pence every day
02-09-2017 , 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by WichitaDM
I am not sure yet, but Warren is not the answer. She is a poor public speaker, an East Coast Liberal, old and Trump or whoever will hammer her on the whole Native American thing. I also don't think she is charismatic at all.
If I were to construct an argument against Warren it would be along these lines. It goes to the discussions we were having here after the election about charisma vs. likability vs. character, etc.

Warren is kind of a tough one to peg. She generates a ton of excitement on the left. Fiery is a good word to describe her.

But charisma or likability? Eh, not so sure. Her DNC speech was pretty bad too. In a long campaign I don't know how this plays out but I'm a little worried she does the negative stuff way better than the positive "vote for me" stuff. She would have been a fantastic VP pick IMO.
02-09-2017 , 03:06 PM
Lol kellyane got written up
02-09-2017 , 03:08 PM
I think the people here calling for a center (right) Dem are Republicans who just wish a GHWB style Republican would run for Dems. Some of them anyway and I don't mean they are DINOs, I mean they generally vote Republican.
02-09-2017 , 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by RV Life
No, because Trump voters aren't these poor uneducated hillbillies that so many people assume they are.
Doing well financially ≠ educated

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...ote-for-trump/
02-09-2017 , 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Kirbynator
The republicans have to slowly be getting closer and closer to ask for president Pence every day
That's how it should work. What is actually happening is that they're becoming more and more prone to cower behind their supreme leader. Every outrageous claim/promise/slander that Trump makes without repercussions is just an assertion of his authority.
02-09-2017 , 03:18 PM
That one row of reporters at the daily press briefings has some cuties. It's the row with the white-haired reporter sitting in between them. There's like three in that row that I'm developing a crush on. I have no clue what any of their names are.
02-09-2017 , 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by JPantz
Lol kellyane got written up
What a circus this has become.

      
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