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02-08-2017 , 12:59 PM

#6851

Minirra

old hand

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Sighsalot, Elizabeth Warren is not the nominee you want in the general election. An excellent possibility for Vice President though.

02-08-2017 , 01:02 PM

#6852

master3004

Revisionist Historian

Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 56,508

Quote:

Originally Posted by wheatrich

I think trump would destroy her and I think she loses her own senate re-election. Also unlikely dems would get lit on fire--repubs have 4 years to wear people down and they're going to suppress a ton of D votes.

R's gonna be lit on fire too, they love him.

Spicer wasn't a trump pick and once a woman was portraying him, writing was on the wall.

We're all gonna miss spicer, he's gonna seem reasonable compared to everyone else that's coming down the pike.

So what happens when Trump gets portrayed by Rosie O'Donnell on SNL? Is the writing on the wall for Trump at that point?

02-08-2017 , 01:02 PM

#6853

bobman0330

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DVaut1

The GOP has fed its base ~25-30 years so many ultimately empty, feckless promises of insane stuff that they feel dispossessed, betrayed and want a genuine madman who will deliver instead of more empty promises, and the GOP politicians are afraid if they defenstrate that madman then the base turn their ire and mob mentality on them. Why would we count on the people who have been feeding this dragon and fostering it to train its scent on elites and others in conspiratorial and apocalyptic tones to aim its fire on those aren't in total lockstep with insane promises to now slay its most-favored caretaker who shares its vision of total destruction of the village?

This was a very, very dangerous game that everyone warned the GOP about for decades. Do not tell me you were hoping they would slay the beast just as it broke the chains and rose into the sky.

I don't disagree with you here at all. The blame for Trump is squarely on the demagogues who have been spewing insane propaganda for decades (and on the terrible people who voted for him). That said, now that we have Trump, it's both the moral duty and the cynical self-interest of the GOP to get rid of him. Do I predict that they will do this? Probably not, but they might. Betting odds on Trump finishing his term are close to even money.

Where does our analysis differ here? The big questionable call I see in what I'm saying is the assumption that GOP legislators are operating on cynical calculation rather than Trumpian insanity. I'm sure that was true 10 years ago, but some, maybe a lot, of them have probably internalized the madness by now. Those people are obviously not going to go along with slaying the dragon.

02-08-2017 , 01:03 PM

#6854

Max Cut

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JordanIB

I'll believe it when I see it. Lewandowski was jettisoned and became an even more vocal supporter.

He was still on the team, I believe, just away from the public. But yeah, spicer might feel it's more EV maintaining and taking his shtick to fox or breitbart.

Edit: Maybe his NDA comes into play as well.

Last edited by Max Cut; 02-08-2017 at 01:14 PM.

02-08-2017 , 01:04 PM

#6855

Hold'em 07

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Namath12

look for further confirmation on this but HUGE IF TRUE

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hold'em 07

Sean Spicer will disappear in a few months. He is a nervous wreck and can't speak clearly.

Now the only question is does Trump stand behind the new press secretary at all of the briefings and slap him or her when they aren't performing up to his standards?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gd-w9xK1zHU

02-08-2017 , 01:06 PM

#6856

goofyballer

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Originally Posted by seattlelou

Still a lie but Locke was the third try as Obama's first Commerce Secretary. The first two withdrew.

Fair, but Solis for Labor didn't get out of committee until Feb 11, I think confirmed late February.

02-08-2017 , 01:07 PM

#6857

Huehuecoyotl

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Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump says gang members in the country illegally are causing trouble in Ferguson and St. Louis, comments that aren’t ringing true with local leaders.

“You know a lot of the gangs that you see in Baltimore and in St. Louis and Ferguson and Chicago, do you know they’re illegal immigrants? They’re here illegally,” Trump said at a news conference Tuesday night in Dubuque, Iowa. “And they’re rough dudes. Rough people.”

He said something similar on Sunday’s “Face the Nation” on CBS in response to a question about his platform on illegal immigration: “We’re having tremendous trouble. You know, when you look at Ferguson and you look at St. Louis, like the other night, and you look at, let’s say, Baltimore and Chicago, the gangs … many of these gang members are illegal and they’re tough dudes.”

Another example of illegal immigrants take hard working American gang members' jobs

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/g...3eeb5398b.html

02-08-2017 , 01:07 PM

#6858

Chippa58

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Does Spicer have to take some vow of silence after his tenure? Meantime, I wouldn't want that job for anything. No way to succeed. Sad!

02-08-2017 , 01:08 PM

#6859

ScreaminAsian

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Pentagon Considers Leasing Space at Trump Tower

The Pentagon made similar arrangements with past presidents, including for the Chicago home of President Barack Obama. The difference in this case, which was reported by CNN on Tuesday night, is that the Defense Department could be funneling government money directly to Mr. Trump’s commercial interests.

02-08-2017 , 01:08 PM

#6860

dinopoker

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Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy

Meanwhile Barack Obama, who was in a position to do something that may have prevented all this happening, backed down when Assad ignored his ultimatum to not use chemical weapons on his own people.

But hell no, we can't criticize Obama for that capitulation. Let's have a dig at Trump instead.

What would you have had Obama do, exactly?

02-08-2017 , 01:11 PM

#6861

MrWookie

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dinopoker

What would you have had Obama do, exactly?

He voted against the person who wanted to intervene with the Assad's attack on Syrian rebels. He supports the guy who wants to keep Assad in power.

02-08-2017 , 01:12 PM

#6862

master3004

Revisionist Historian

Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 56,508

Robert Browning had an apt description of Trump 160 years ago.

"My first thought was, he lied in every word."

02-08-2017 , 01:13 PM

#6863

lycosid

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If you enjoy Trump apologists getting ethereal, this is a solid addition. Dude goes in 4 questions from saying random people mad about Bush ruined America to saying true liberalism means allowing the president to say stupid **** without recrimination.

02-08-2017 , 01:16 PM

#6864

Minirra

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Spicer's 45 years old and can find work. Who hasn't been fired by Donald Trump? Would be doing him a favor.

02-08-2017 , 01:17 PM

#6865

Trolly McTrollson

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Originally Posted by Namath12

look for further confirmation on this but HUGE IF TRUE

Dude had a respectable career that is now ruined. Man, everyone who joins the Trump Team gets tossed under the bus, but there's always a fresh idiot ready to join his entourage.

02-08-2017 , 01:19 PM

#6866

ASAP17

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With all the terrorist attacks Conway, Spicer keep inventing & Trump saying they don't get enough coverage... anyone want to argue they don't want another 9/11?

02-08-2017 , 01:22 PM

#6867

Sighsalot

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Minirra

Sighsalot, Elizabeth Warren is not the nominee you want in the general election. An excellent possibility for Vice President though.

who is the one? Booker? Newsome?

02-08-2017 , 01:23 PM

#6868

O.A.F.K.1.1

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Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 27,951

What did info wars have to say about the made up terrorist attack, given their idiosyncratic views on 9/11?

02-08-2017 , 01:25 PM

#6869

aoFrantic

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Originally Posted by Minirra

Spicer's 45 years old and can find work. Who hasn't been fired by Donald Trump? Would be doing him a favor.

He as the only Washington insider to get a job in trump land. He's finished in his social circles and that town.

02-08-2017 , 01:26 PM

#6870

DeroDeniro

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If Spicier gets the axe, I'm starting a petition to get Dennis Miller as the replacement. The esoteric answers will provide entertainment for years.

02-08-2017 , 01:29 PM

#6871

Minirra

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DeroDeniro

If Spicier gets the axe, I'm starting a petition to get Dennis Miller as the replacement. The esoteric answers will provide entertainment for years.

Nooooo. Hell I'm still working my way through his NFL days.

Steven Wright is the guy you want. Try arguing with this day after day

02-08-2017 , 01:29 PM

#6872

Chippa58

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Seems to be an impossible task to be Trump's press secretary. Who can really follow or attempt to justify Trump's insanity? Hard to be on the same page when the book is being written on the fly.

02-08-2017 , 01:36 PM

#6873

eurodp

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Quote:

US President Donald Trump's new Secretary of Homeland Security, John Kelly, confirmed the potential measure at his first hearing of the House Homeland Security Committee on Tuesday (7 February). He said it would be an extension of Trump's "extreme vetting" agenda, which targets people from Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen. "We're looking at some enhanced or some additional screening," Kelly said at the hearing, reported AFP. "We may want to get on their social media, with passwords. "It's very hard to truly vet these people in these countries, the seven countries. But if they come in, we want to say, what websites do they visit, and give us your passwords. So we can see what they do on the internet." "If they don't want to cooperate, then they don't come in."

Kelly stressed that no decision has been made on this issue, but said tighter screening was definitely on the horizon, even if it means longer delays for awarding US visas to visitors. "These are the things we are thinking about," he said. "But we can ask them for this kind of information and if they truly want to come to America, then they will cooperate. If not, next in line!"

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/travelling-...swords-1605334

02-08-2017 , 01:37 PM

#6874

m_reed05

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Originally Posted by master3004

So what happens when Trump gets portrayed by Rosie O'Donnell on SNL? Is the writing on the wall for Trump at that point?

The talks are that Rosie might play Bannon.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Namath12

look for further confirmation on this but HUGE IF TRUE

The rumor has been swirling for a day or 2 now, and that he blames Priebus. I hope he cans Spicer. Not because I think the next in line will be better, but because it will drive the wedge between establishment GOP and Trump a little further. And nothing is going to get done wrt Trump without GOP support.