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This is an easy win for CNN. Every day, every issue: "We invited White House representatives to come on the air and present their side, but they refuse to speak with us."

Cool, so maybe a defensive move by trumps because of ass kickings, or possibly just a stab to see how it plays.

01-31-2017 , 10:37 PM

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State Dept. Dissent Cable on Trump’s Ban Draws 1,000 Signatures

Maybe he'll fire them all for disloyalty.

Would be interesting as this system in the state department is intended to be entirely repercussion free.

Kind of wish trump would as it would cause some pretty significant shifts across the civil servant landscape. Not to mention it's probably illegal.

01-31-2017 , 10:38 PM

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Most people don't even know what fascism is

Yeah Putin is the obv comp but inexplicably his approval rating here is high, so kim jong il? It doesn't matter if the comp is accurate or not. Just say it repeatedly till people believe it like trump's nonsense.

01-31-2017 , 10:42 PM

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So, have we talked about Jerry Falwell Jr. leading a task force on higher education?

http://www.chronicle.com/article/Jer...e-Will/239062/

01-31-2017 , 10:45 PM

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It wouldn't make any difference if they did. Most people don't even know what fascism is, and Nazis are an abstract concept divorced from actual history, only to serve as central casting bad guys in Hollywood movies. I honestly think you'd reach more people by drawing parallels with Voldemort.

01-31-2017 , 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by adios

HRC playing nice probably cost her the Presidency.

HRC worrying more about transgender bathrooms than the plight of lower middle class Americans cost her the election.

That and flooding the airwaves with what a putz Trump was (we already knew that) rather than what she was going to do to make life better for the lower middle class lost her the election.

01-31-2017 , 10:47 PM

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just trying to catch up here, but I think I read Obama flagged these same cities and restricted the immigrants coming to the US as well. Is it just "restricted" vs "banned"?

01-31-2017 , 10:48 PM

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This is an easy win for CNN. Every day, every issue: "We invited White House representatives to come on the air and present their side, but they refuse to speak with us."

I never considered this but you're probably right

What a petty bunch of asswholes

01-31-2017 , 10:50 PM

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just trying to catch up here, but I think I read Obama flagged these same cities and restricted the immigrants coming to the US as well. Is it just "restricted" vs "banned"?

You're about the 7th person to come in here with those talking points, what Obama did actually had little/nothing to do with people from those countries but rather subjected people from Western partners who wouldn't have needed a visa to more scrutiny (and a necessary visa) if they had visited those countries

01-31-2017 , 10:50 PM

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March 16, 2016

#NeverForget

01-31-2017 , 10:54 PM

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I wish some reporter, when fed that line, would ask if Trump planned to follow Obama's lead regularly on his high-priority issues.

01-31-2017 , 10:55 PM

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Hey, look who's in the front row, the managers of our President's blind trust.

Total separation between the family business and the Presidency.

01-31-2017 , 10:55 PM

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So who gets charged with murder, Trump, Bannon or Miller? This family's story is enraging.

Ummmmm... No one?

Jonathan Turley on the constitutionality of trump's order:

“The law does favor President Trump in this regard,” Turley said Sunday during an appearance on CNN’s Fareed Zakaria GPS. “I don’t like this order. I think it’s a terrible mistake — but that doesn’t go into the legal analysis. The Court has been extremely deferential to presidents on the border.”

.....“And you have things like Section 1182 of the federal law that gives sweeping authority to the president to withhold either individual aliens or groups of aliens,” he added. “All of that works to the advantage of President Trump.”

According to Turley, however, the courts are unlikely to see the order as a ban on Muslims.

“I do not believe a federal court will view this as a Muslim ban,” Turley said Sunday. “I don’t think the court can. Regardless of what the court may think of President Trump’s motivations, the fact that other Muslim countries are not included is going to move that off the table and what’s going to be left is whether the president has this type of authority. Historically courts have said that he does.”

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2017/01/29/tu...#ixzz4XOlYRFIL

01-31-2017 , 10:58 PM

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Hey, look who's in the front row, the managers of our President's blind trust.

Total separation between the family business and the Presidency.

I heard there were also several people from the trump business as well. Never miss an opportunity to normalize it.

01-31-2017 , 10:59 PM

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I wish some reporter, when fed that line, would ask if Trump planned to follow Obama's lead regularly on his high-priority issues.

Not many reporters are stupid enough to lob him up such an easy question to which he would answer, "Sure.... on the rare occasions that he actually made a good decision!"

01-31-2017 , 11:02 PM

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This is an easy win for CNN. Every day, every issue: "We invited White House representatives to come on the air and present their side, but they refuse to speak with us. In the meantime let's go Obama's former Secretary/Chief of _______ for his/her insight..."

fyp

Jake Tapper has more

back to you Wolf

01-31-2017 , 11:02 PM

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Ummmmm... No one?

These people have ****ing green cards and had been here for years. Trump's own DHS said green card holders should be exempt and Bannon and Miller overruled them, almost assuredly to cause maximum chaos so get this weak **** the **** outta here.

01-31-2017 , 11:14 PM

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I like that poly sci profs argument. I think Trump is both operating from weakness, and guys like Miller or Bannon, who simplify the world through ideology and only acknowledge favorable facts just don't understand how something as complex as the executive branch works. Hell, you need a few years of law school to understand how the whole legislative/executive/judiciary works in practice (one of the harder classes in law school is "federal courts", then there's "administrative law" (the power and process of agencies and regulations), "legislation," etc.). I know John Yoo does a seminar on the presidency at Berkeley.

You probably need a PhD in poly sci to understand the executive branch, and Trump's got an over the hill conspiracy theorist boozer and a right winger who graduated from Dartmouth 10 years ago who has mainly been a ****ty speech writer for right wingers stoking resentment (not exactly a policy job).

I knew a lower lever guy who worked for Obama in one policy area, sharp guy, Stanford, Harvard law, and he only did his one little area. I don't think hardly anyone understands how the 17 separate intelligence agencies work together and sometimes overlap and sometimes don't.

Trump ran his business like a small business since he started, and he's always sucked at that, too many complex decisions he makes hastily without good data/info. He has no comprehension of the scope of the federal govt.

[Also, for solid discussion of the whole acting AG thing, check sport-itics.]

this is why although I am worried about authoritarian tendencies, I just don't see how he could pull it off. he doesn't know what he's doing and he is alienating potential allies left and right.

01-31-2017 , 11:15 PM

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You can use all the expletives you choose, but I do not think the US Constitution guarantees entry to the US to any non citizen.

Prof. Turley seems to agree. Whether it is good policy is another issue.

To get some insight of what the President might be doing:

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/1565322...nd-immigration

01-31-2017 , 11:17 PM

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the "president-doesn't-have-this-power-because-Constitution-doesn't-give-it-to-him" originalists will be here shortly, must be stuck at the airport

01-31-2017 , 11:18 PM

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daily caller AND dilbert sauces cans confirm

01-31-2017 , 11:19 PM

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Npr linking us dilbert and the daily caller is amazing. You realize the dilbert moron was literally wrong about everything and multiple times said hillary would win? He also said Donald was using hypnosis and so, so many other stupid things. He is a moron who has mental issues.