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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

01-31-2017 , 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by CalledDownLight
denouncing religion including Christianity
killing Americans on purpose
nominating Ted Cruz to the Supreme Court seat

that was 3 pretty easy ones
Depends which Americans. There are things he could do that would cause the masses to rile up, but he won't do them. He's going to concentrate on hurting minorities that don't have any political power under the new system.
01-31-2017 , 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by CalledDownLight
denouncing religion including Christianity
killing Americans on purpose
nominating Ted Cruz to the Supreme Court seat

that was 3 pretty easy ones
He literally killed an American child on purpose over the past 24 hours and no one gives a ****.

Trump will do lots of crazy ****, but he's not doing those other two things.

Obv I meant something realistic, even for Trump.
01-31-2017 , 06:39 PM
lol the first and last, not even Trump would go there. The second, well he's already killed an 8 year old girl.

Last edited by will1530; 01-31-2017 at 06:39 PM. Reason: Trump apparently nuked my pony.
01-31-2017 , 06:39 PM
Thinking about it, if he nominated Cruz to SCOTUS, I would SHOCKED if it got below 40% support nationally. Might even be higher.

So really, you are left with denouncing religion--he's not doing that.
01-31-2017 , 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by champstark
Members of Schumer's family were killed in the Holocaust. The rejection of refugees (as was done to Jews by the US in the 1930s, who subsequently died in the Holocaust) is a pretty personal thing. To even suggest that someone who has suffered such a personal tragedy in relation to the Holocaust is faking it is absolutely anti-Semitic.
Ta.

Obviously I've no idea about his background.
01-31-2017 , 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by champstark
Like what? Seriously, give me something that only 20% of Americans support and would result in even conservatives protesting against it. I cannot think of anything. No matter what, it will be spun and they will still support him.
I think health care reform and the budget / tax cuts could be big ones.

These are issues where Republicans have vastly over promised and there's no way in hell they can deliver.

They can't come close to meeting their health care, deficit control, spending, and tax cut rhetoric.
01-31-2017 , 06:43 PM
In terms of awful policy, he has like a third of the country brhind him on ANYTHING. Literally anything. Where he could potentially sink himself, however, is his temper and impulsiveness. I could see him doing some really stupid **** if, for example, a foreign leader plays him the right way.
01-31-2017 , 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by jjshabado
I think health care reform and the budget / tax cuts could be big ones.

These are issues where Republicans have vastly over promised and there's no way in hell they can deliver.

They can't come close to meeting their health care, deficit control, spending, and tax cut rhetoric.
Sure they can. They will just run $2T+ deficits and blame Democrats. Worked for W.
01-31-2017 , 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by jjshabado
I think health care reform and the budget / tax cuts could be big ones.

These are issues where Republicans have vastly over promised and there's no way in hell they can deliver.

They can't come close to meeting their health care, deficit control, spending, and tax cut rhetoric.
If Republicans completely repeal Obamacare, even without a replacement, it's still going to get at least 35% support nationwide, probably more.

Tax cuts will get over 50% support.

You guys are making the same mistakes we made in the election. Facts. Do. Not. Matter. All that matters is concept and spin.
01-31-2017 , 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by jjshabado
I think health care reform and the budget / tax cuts could be big ones.

These are issues where Republicans have vastly over promised and there's no way in hell they can deliver.

They can't come close to meeting their health care, deficit control, spending, and tax cut rhetoric.
That will all be the Democrats' fault. Both the previous administration and the current representatives. Make no mistake: the Zeroth Rule is that everything is always the fault of the liberals.
01-31-2017 , 06:47 PM
Exactly. The resistance needs to appeal to base emotions, like John Kerry being a pussy or Max Cleland being a coward. Trump hates looking weak, so just mock him! Hammer away on his grrmophobia, his inability to climb stairs, etc.
01-31-2017 , 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by champstark
If Republicans completely repeal Obamacare, even without a replacement, it's still going to get at least 35% support nationwide, probably more.
I'll give you 35%, not more though.

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Originally Posted by champstark
Tax cuts will get over 50% support.
Massive tax cuts + tripling (or whatever) deficit + massive social spending cuts would be well under 50%.

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Originally Posted by champstark
You guys are making the same mistakes we made in the election. Facts. Do. Not. Matter. All that matters is concept and spin.
To an extent. But the thing about healthcare and spending cuts is that people actually feel the consequences.
01-31-2017 , 06:51 PM
01-31-2017 , 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by champstark
Reuters poll has Americans in favor of the travel ban, 49-41

sigh

But so many people went to AIRPORTS on a SUNDAY.
01-31-2017 , 06:52 PM


I'd like to see the 12th dimensional chess master manipulators take a crack at why Trump's dementia is so bad he briefly lost track of where Rudy is in this meeting
01-31-2017 , 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by champstark
Like what? Seriously, give me something that only 20% of Americans support and would result in even conservatives protesting against it. I cannot think of anything. No matter what, it will be spun and they will still support him.
lol this already happened with the muslim ban from 7 countries. Its not very hard.
01-31-2017 , 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by jjshabado
To an extent. But the thing about healthcare and spending cuts is that people actually feel the consequences.
They will. And they will be told it was Obama's fault for passing a ****ty law in the first place. For spending cuts, it will just be blamed on China or something screwing us over. Barring a complete economic collapse, I just don't see it drastically changing things.
01-31-2017 , 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by aflametotheground
lol this already happened with the muslim ban from 7 countries. Its not very hard.
Yo, did you see the poll where the ban is supported 49-41 nationwide?
01-31-2017 , 06:55 PM
WaPo reporting that executive branch is floating an EO to remove benefits/deport legal immigrants. Will be interesting to see how the "it's about the law and illegal immigrant" crowd defends that one. Something like that would also indicate to me that no one is safe and it's time to seriously think about leaving.

Eh on second blush it doesn't look quite so bad, just a little more restrictive than what currently exists.

Last edited by Jiggymike; 01-31-2017 at 07:11 PM.
01-31-2017 , 06:56 PM
lol I think trump thought the guy next to him was giuliani

yikes
01-31-2017 , 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
I might say just as easily that the democratic norms we cherish only die when both sides abandon them.
That's not how it works. If one side abandons them, they're dead.

You are living in some kind of The West Wing fantasy world where compromise is rewarded. That **** is gone, man. There is zero upside to playing nice with the Republicans at this point. How many examples do you need to realize they are never going to meet you half way?

Voters have already shown they don't care. The Republicans blocked a Supreme Court nominee for a year and it didn't hurt them at all. If anything, voters have been encouraging this kind of behavior.

Look, I understand the desire for good governance. It's a noble starting point. But you can't let it cloud reality. If the Democrats keep turning the other cheek, the Republicans are going to keep pulling their pants down.
01-31-2017 , 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by champstark
Yo, did you see the poll where the ban is supported 49-41 nationwide?
Thats pretty high numbers, i figured the most extreme of his actions could not have such high numbers when his approval ratings was as link below 36%. I think this is a record low iirc. Not sure what to make of this. I guess my view on how reflected/informed US ppl are is a bit off since the ban doesnt make any sense in any way.



http://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/27/po...innipiac-poll/
01-31-2017 , 07:26 PM
Saw something on twitter, not sure if it's been discussed here, that Trump might nominate two justices and there is nothing in the constitution that says how many SC justices there has to be
01-31-2017 , 07:28 PM
truely a war on deplorables if those numbers are real.

Cant underestimate the amount of bigots in good ol' us of a
01-31-2017 , 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by JPantz
Saw something on twitter, not sure if it's been discussed here, that Trump might nominate two justices and there is nothing in the constitution that says how many SC justices there has to be
One person here mentioned that there might be a retirement and Trump might nominate two.

      
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