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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

05-26-2017 , 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by 2OutsNoProb
It's amazing how far has star has fallen. He won re-election easily with 60% of the vote, and is now three years later pulling a 20% approval rating.
Didn't he win b/c he did a good job w/ Hurricane Sandy? It's like Bush w/ 9/11. Tragedies spike popularity ratings.
05-26-2017 , 12:10 AM
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Originally Posted by jjshabado
I think you have a really poor understanding of Ford. This covers some of it:

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.thes...ump-rider.html

But yeah, they obviously aren't the same person. But their scandals, use of power for personal enrichment, war with the media, demeaning of large groups of people, blatant lies, are very similar.

I'm not even talking about policy. Trump and Ford aren't horrible for their policies. They're run of the mill bad for their politicians. Their real danger lies elsewhere.
The Star is a garbage paper when it comes to opinion pieces. It is very, very left wing so anyone from the other side of centre is obviously the same.

Oh, left and right wing is very different in Canada and the US. Hilary and Obama would probably be centre right candidates in Canada, while Sanders would be NDP left (left of the centre left party-Liberal Party). The controlling party and Trudeau (who is on the left side of his party- Liberal Party) is somewhere halfway between a Clinton and a Bernie.

A moderate Republican is considered a far right Conservative in Canada

Last edited by bigt2k4; 05-26-2017 at 12:23 AM.
05-26-2017 , 12:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Our House
****ing Republitards.
I know it won't happen but this should be a wake up call to the Democratic Party. You CANNOT EVER negotiate w/ Republicans. EVER. EVER!

The Republican Party has shown time and time again they care about party, not the country. They want the country to conform to the party, not the party conform to the country.

The Democrats need to stop compromising. They need to dig in, get dirty, and say **** YOU to the GOP.

Of course it will never happen.
05-26-2017 , 12:28 AM
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Originally Posted by jjshabado
I'm talking a big step more.

Gut Medicaid. Gut social security. Gut welfare programs. Gut it all and give out massive tax breaks.

Then form agreements with the States that want to offer these programs to offer them at a reasonable level and find them through state taxes.

(I realize this doesn't work in practice - but man, it would be so satisfying).
I think you're on to something, but you'd have to redesign the map. Basically, cities and urban areas would become their own states with everything outside of them becoming alt.right country.

But urban progressive elites better be willing to arm themselves and put up a fight for their borders. Because it won't be long before the population of alt.right country starts invading the cities. In fact, if they think things are bad for them now, they'll soon find out what the effects of voting against their own interests are. No medicare, medicaid, welfare programs, EPA, etc. It will be hell for all but a few of them. And as true progressives, we'll take them right back in and give them refuge, right? All of life is a catch-22.
05-26-2017 , 12:31 AM
The alt-right invading the cities? Huh?

They are a tiny minority of the Trump base.

They literally think every black/brown person is out to kill/rape them. Plus, they hate traffic. Going into cities is the last thing they want to do.

Last edited by RV Life; 05-26-2017 at 12:33 AM. Reason: BTW- How egotistical do you have to be to think a minority wants to kill or rape you? Chutzpah!
05-26-2017 , 12:37 AM
Only 17% of Montana republicans think it's wrong for politicians to assault private citizens?

Man, hillary was WAY underestimating how many deplorables there are
05-26-2017 , 12:39 AM
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Originally Posted by RV Life
I know it won't happen but this should be a wake up call to the Democratic Party. You CANNOT EVER negotiate w/ Republicans. EVER. EVER!

The Republican Party has shown time and time again they care about party, not the country. They want the country to conform to the party, not the party conform to the country.

The Democrats need to stop compromising. They need to dig in, get dirty, and say **** YOU to the GOP.

Of course it will never happen.
It'll never happen because democrats like HRC are part of the problem. The democratic party needs to be blown up, overthrown, or called something else. We need about a thousand clones of Bernie Sanders starting at the local levels right on up throughout the entire government. You can't tell me if we had more so called democrats like Bernie Sanders in the senate that any of this would be taking place.

I could be wrong. I'm not a political junkie. But he's the name that pops up on my twitter feed the most. He's the one who comes up on my youtube page the most. Sure, sometimes Warren pops up or someone else, but no democrat to my knowledge fights against the establishment like Bernie Sanders does. Yeah... I'm still pissed he and the rest of us who wanted him got ****ed by the DNC.
05-26-2017 , 12:42 AM
Quist was a Bernie Sanders Dem. Bernie would have lost that race too.
05-26-2017 , 12:44 AM
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Originally Posted by RV Life
The alt-right invading the cities? Huh?

They are a tiny minority of the Trump base.

They literally think every black/brown person is out to kill/rape them. Plus, they hate traffic. Going into cities is the last thing they want to do.
Dude. This is just so ****ing wrong! I know you think it's just a tiny minority, but EVERYONE who isn't just the right flavor of liberal elite, is flat out racist! Just ask Fly.

I invite you to take a look at a map showing red and blue counties throughout the country. It's a sea of red with just blue mostly in urban areas. There are more of them (I guess I have to use the word "us" now because there is no longer any middle ground to occupy), than you think.
05-26-2017 , 12:44 AM
The Democratic party needs to show more open contempt for scumbag Republicans (by which I mean all of them). It's time to make tribalism work for us. Class > race. The 1% is by definition a small group and we should be able to defeat their interests in anything resembling democratic elections.
05-26-2017 , 12:46 AM
Lol Trump told Macron, "you're my guy" after publically pulling for La Pen during the race. This guy.
05-26-2017 , 12:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Dominic
Lol Trump told Macron, "you're my guy" after publically pulling for La Pen during the race. This guy.
That's because Macron made him his *****

05-26-2017 , 12:50 AM
You don't need clones of Bernie. You just need people willing to call out the bull**** from the GOP. You know how in a debate the moderator will spend 5 minutes asking a question? Then both candidates spend 10 minutes talking about everything except the question that was asked? You need someone that is BOOM, willing to cut to the chase and talk about the question being asked. Instead, they ramble for 10 minutes or until the red light goes on.

But no one other than Bernie/Biden are willing to do that. Take Hilary for example. Not once in a debate did she say "Donald, what is wrong with you? You said it's OK to grab a woman by the pussy. How are you fit to lead the country?" It would have been a direct question that demanded a direct response. Instead, she was like "When they go low, we go high!"
05-26-2017 , 12:52 AM
he does not care. only thing he cares about is himself and being liked.
pro le pen was good for his base because they love racist idiots. when he's with macron he wants to be liked by him.
05-26-2017 , 12:55 AM
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Originally Posted by AllTheCheese
Quist was a Bernie Sanders Dem. Bernie would have lost that race too.
Maybe I over estimate Sanders. But what sets him apart is that he has passion! He's 70 ****ing years old and has more fight in him than almost all other democrats put together. I know little about elections held in Montana, but I'd like to think he wouldn't have lost. And I KNOW he wouldn't have lost to Trump!

People who cheer a politician for body slamming a reporter are deplorable. But there are many more who are not condoning that, want to vote for someone with a good a good consistent message that addresses their concerns.

Did Quist have that? I don't know. But people aren't going to vote for someone just because they didn't body slam a reporter, just like they're not going to vote for someone just because they didn't mock a disabled reporter. There's gotta be a message. Something in it for them. Deplorables will always be deplorable. Liberals will always be liberal. But the democrats have lost everyone in between. That's the problem here (I think).
05-26-2017 , 12:57 AM
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Originally Posted by RV Life
But no one other than Bernie/Biden are willing to do that. Take Hilary for example. Not once in a debate did she say "Donald, what is wrong with you? You said it's OK to grab a woman by the pussy. How are you fit to lead the country?" It would have been a direct question that demanded a direct response. Instead, she was like "When they go low, we go high!"
Agree. But that doesn't help us. Where do we find these people of which you speak? They gotta come from somewhere and it doesn't seem to be the democratic party. So where?
05-26-2017 , 12:57 AM
you guys read about that florida GOP guy who says he was working with the DNC russian hacker?
05-26-2017 , 12:58 AM
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Originally Posted by AllTheCheese
The Democratic party needs to show more open contempt for scumbag Republicans (by which I mean all of them). It's time to make tribalism work for us. Class > race. The 1% is by definition a small group and we should be able to defeat their interests in anything resembling democratic elections.
How? Give examples. There needs to be examples!
05-26-2017 , 01:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Lestat
Dude. This is just so ****ing wrong! I know you think it's just a tiny minority, but EVERYONE who isn't just the right flavor of liberal elite, is flat out racist! Just ask Fly.

I invite you to take a look at a map showing red and blue counties throughout the country. It's a sea of red with just blue mostly in urban areas. There are more of them (I guess I have to use the word "us" now because there is no longer any middle ground to occupy), than you think.
Huh? No. Someone mentioned earlier ITT that Queens, NY has more people than like 5 red states.

A lot of people are racist but that's because they are unaware of what covert racism is. It's just ignorance. I was racist when I was younger. I had no idea the stuff I was saying or thought was racist until I got older and took college classes in sociology. It was all covert racism.

You want to know how bad it was? I didn't smoke pot til I was almost 30 because of the racist connotations that come with drugs. But once I realized the war on drugs is really a war on minorities, I came to understand that pot is not the boogeyman the GOP says it is.

In addition, it should come as no surprise that the GOP wants to suppress education. They need white people to push minorities down in order to advance their agenda. Hence, the war on drugs, science and education.
05-26-2017 , 01:01 AM
Montana will always back a man willing to fight for what he believes in, fight for the people of Montana.


For those about to have just rocked the vote, I salute you.
05-26-2017 , 01:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Lestat
Agree. But that doesn't help us. Where do we find these people of which you speak? They gotta come from somewhere and it doesn't seem to be the democratic party. So where?
It's a good question. I have no idea.
05-26-2017 , 01:02 AM
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Originally Posted by AllTheCheese
Quist was a Bernie Sanders Dem. Bernie would have lost that race too.
I think that's kinda silly. They may be similar on the issues but Bernie is a whole different beast. H

Bernie beat Hillary in Montana in the Primaries. 65k vs 55k.
05-26-2017 , 01:08 AM
I want to see every ****ing blue state Democrat raising Cain over violent degenerate Gianforte. I want them to tell people in no unclear terms that the Republican agenda is a con job, and that it's important to vote for Dems always because we can't let them win.

This is so overlooked. Like in Georgia, Ossoff was linked in ads to Nancy Pelosi and ISIS. He's with them. It's morally bankrupt - ldo it's GOP - but a good strategy. Every election, no matter who the candidate is, we should be trotting out the Access Hollywood tape, Hastert molesting kids, poison water in Flint, the whole shebang. Every one of their politicians should carry the baggage of the entire party. And never let it go.
05-26-2017 , 01:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Losing all
Montana will always back a man willing to fight for what he believes in, fight for the people of Montana.


For those about to have just rocked the vote, I salute you.
Fight for the people of Montana? Or fight people in Montana?
05-26-2017 , 01:09 AM
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Originally Posted by StimAbuser
I think that's kinda silly. They may be similar on the issues but Bernie is a whole different beast. H

Bernie beat Hillary in Montana in the Primaries. 65k vs 55k.
Hillary would have lost worse than Quist, I agree. But that doesnt refute my point.

      
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