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05-18-2017 , 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by AllCowsEatGrass
Erdogan's G-men beating up the protestors is nuts. This is yet another thing that if something similar had happened under Obama's admin, the right wing world would be calling for war.
Ergodan did that too with Obama. (can't remember if that was here or when obama went there) Naturally we're trying to put a giant oil pipeline through turkey or store nukes there--boy was all of that a stupid idea. Better idea undo all of that and kick them the hell out of nato.

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Originally Posted by ecriture d'adulte
Congress cant do anything because there is an ongoing criminal investigation.
This is fake news. It's purely an excuse to stop congress investigation.

Also fake news
That nbc report is obviously republicans trying to distance pence from the potential fallout.

nbc/msnbc have rapidly become conservative republican news all of a sudden outside of maddow/lawrence (who's gone in a month despite beating fox in ratings)

Last edited by wheatrich; 05-18-2017 at 10:47 PM.
05-18-2017 , 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by wheatrich
R's all love lieberman for some reason, so he might get confirmed but lots of D's are gonna vote no.



looooooooool


https://twitter.com/darth/status/865372811598024704

darth always remembers the presidential hands.
05-18-2017 , 10:46 PM
He knows Pence can't wait to get rid of him. When push comes to shove Trump is going to turn to Bannon.
05-18-2017 , 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Mayo
I am exceedingly proud to be the creator of this GIF. This is my legacy.

It's from the Bruce Springsteen Live in NYC DVD, and Steve is nodding along here as Bruce explains all the ways that New Jersey is better than New York City, if anyone cares. I think the song is "Light of Day."
I use it at least once a week!
05-18-2017 , 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by ChrisV
Since nobody has pointed out why this is wrong: Comey testified that in his experience the FBI had never been ordered to stop an investigation. The question also specified DOJ officials as the source of the order, so that would technically exclude Trump. But the main point is that Comey's testimony did not encompass informal requests of the sort he alleges Trump made.
My main point was that Comey will likely testify that he didn't consider the informal request to be the obstruction of justice necessary for an impeachment even if he doesn't mean it.
05-18-2017 , 10:50 PM


case closed!
05-18-2017 , 10:51 PM
also this is going under the radar



jared kushner is negotiating a deal for the saudis. America first!
05-18-2017 , 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by wheatrich
This is fake news. It's purely an excuse to stop congress investigation.
Uhhh....yeah. Thats exactly what i said in the sentence before and after the one you quoted.
05-18-2017 , 11:01 PM
in what would be a scandal in other presidencies but this one is minor news

trump also was in contact with manafort after learning manafort was under investigation.
05-18-2017 , 11:01 PM
Pence in the news today (was it today? so many little pieces of news today) was the focus of the last story on Lawrence tonight. Basically, he pointed out all of this:

1) The new PAC that was formed for Pence.
2) GOP "President Pence" chatter.
3) The VP is the one who gets to start 25th amendment proceedings to remove an unfit President.
4) WH keeping Pence in the dark and letting him tell lie after lie to the media.
5) Weird out of character reaction from Paul Ryan when a reporter asked him about Pence as POTUS.
05-18-2017 , 11:04 PM
The entire FBI and CIA, both full of super smart, well trained people who have spent their lives working for a fraction of market value, hate Trump. He is going down.
05-18-2017 , 11:07 PM
sessions should be getting so much more **** right now about his letter to fire comey while supposedly recused
05-18-2017 , 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Riverman
The entire FBI and CIA, both full of super smart, well trained people who have spent their lives working for a fraction of market value, hate Trump. He is going down.
To be fair, trump started that war. If I didn't see something very similar myself I'd think it's amazing how far he's gotten in life having no concept of consequences for actions.
05-18-2017 , 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
My main point was that Comey will likely testify that he didn't consider the informal request to be the obstruction of justice necessary for an impeachment even if he doesn't mean it.
Dude, if Trump goes down, it is not going to be because of Comey's personal opinion of whether what he said during the dinner is obstruction of justice. In fact, his testimony on this topic would be pretty irrelevant.
05-18-2017 , 11:08 PM
Comey is going to win. Dude has been playing the long game.
05-18-2017 , 11:11 PM
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Originally Posted by wheatrich
in what would be a scandal in other presidencies but this one is minor news

trump also was in contact with manafort after learning manafort was under investigation.
The government has been leaking like a strainer since Trump picked a fight with Comey and the FBI. There have been like 5-10 stories a day lately, some of them with several sources. The day after the Comey firing, there was one story with THIRTY sources LOL.
05-18-2017 , 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Klingbard


https://twitter.com/darth/status/865372811598024704

darth always remembers the presidential hands.
from reddit:

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Comey, Comey, Comey, Comey, Comey, chameleeeeoooon!
05-18-2017 , 11:19 PM
Comey chameleon and his team are going to destroy the President who keeps breaking protocol (and laws) and can no longer fight back against them.

One thing tho: Comey's revenge involves humiliating Trump, which they're in the process of doing right now. We haven't seen Trumplestiltskin really lash out yet. It's a frightening prospect.
05-18-2017 , 11:23 PM
how do you register that name and not use it worth a damn yet?
05-18-2017 , 11:38 PM
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Originally Posted by wheatrich
how do you register that name and not use it worth a damn yet?
Sad!
05-18-2017 , 11:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Spicer
They won't let me hav an avatar.
Get back in the bushes. Or among the bushes.
05-19-2017 , 12:03 AM
Turkish security forces committing assault on foreign soil is MASSIVE NEWS!!! and deeply disturbing. No one is talking about it because of lol Trump though which is ridiculous. Seriously, Erdogan is probably worse and dumber than Trump, but they kill, jail, or banish anyone that speaks out (which Trump wants to do, but can't)
05-19-2017 , 12:13 AM
https://www.lawfareblog.com/what-jam...t-donald-trump

Confidant of Comey tells what Comey told him...it ain't good.
05-19-2017 , 12:23 AM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
I believe Comey is going to disappoint you. He gave some testimony that the FBI has never had to deal with someone trying to stop an investigation. His farewell letter included words stating that the president has every right to fire him even though he didn't have to write that, and would actually be a bit odd to write if he thought he was being fired for not stopping the investigation. Most importantly he has to downplay the significance of Trump's dinner comments to avoid getting in trouble himself.
This has already been addressed, but I want to make it clear to David that his post is straight up Fox News/RWNJ stuff that is completely false. Almost everyone itt has already seen it refuted, but for David, here it is again.

Straight from the 5/3 Comey transcript, Hirono asks if the AG or DOJ officials can halt an FBI investigation, and if it's happened. Comey answers "in theory yes," but that "it's not happened in my experience."

That's it. Neither the question nor the answer reference the President.

RW liars are spinning it to mean that Comey is either perjuring himself if he really thinks Trump asked him to drop/halt the investigation, or if Comey doesn't think that Trump's comments amount to obstruction, then his memo is a nothing burger. But all that is false, Comey's testimony had nothing to do with Trump asking him to let it go.


Next, he does not have to downplay the dinner comments to avoid getting in trouble. There is no trouble for Comey to get into due to this, there is no perjury case or dereliction of duty re: obstruction of justice case.

https://lawfareblog.com/no-jim-comey-not-legal-jeopardy

This link shows that the dereliction of duty claim is false. The relevant code they cite is 18 USC 4, which says "conceals", i.e. affirmative steps to conceal are required, not just failure to report a crime.

Furthermore, it is reported that Comey did discuss the Trump dinner request with others at the FBI, thereby fulfilling the reporting requirement of 18 USC 4 even if it applied, which it doesn't.

So your conclusion that Comey will downplay the dinner request as not being obstruction of justice is unfounded, regardless of whatever ends up happening.
05-19-2017 , 01:24 AM
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Originally Posted by bigt2k4
Turkish security forces committing assault on foreign soil is MASSIVE NEWS!!! and deeply disturbing. No one is talking about it because of lol Trump though which is ridiculous. Seriously, Erdogan is probably worse and dumber than Trump, but they kill, jail, or banish anyone that speaks out (which Trump wants to do, but can't)
Its messed up. Trump congratulates Erdogan on becoming more dictatorial, invitees him to the white house, then Erdogan's guards beat down peaceful American Kurdish protesters. Np in the new MAGA. Great...

      
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