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04-25-2017 , 11:51 AM

#27776

Namath12

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Originally Posted by einbert

If they actually follow through on that they'll be forcing states that are more successful economically (blue states) to adopt the failed economic policies of red states that are struggling and falling apart. It's going to be really tough on the producing classes. When will the producing classes learn, voting for Republicans/libertarians never ever pays off for you?

They're voting against gay marriage and for God and guns. Their own economic issues are secondary for a whole lot of them.

04-25-2017 , 12:15 PM

#27777

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Originally Posted by einbert

Oh, I see. So what are your main concerns with the Trump administration so far, ethically speaking?

Any of this ringing a bell @lew189

Sessions lied under oath
Conway illegally promoted Ivanka's clothing line
Blatant nepotism by hiring Ivanka and Jared Kushner, two people who have absolutely no experience or related knowledge
Flynn looking worse and worse by the day, possible treason
Collusion with Putin and a cover-up of said collusion through lies under oath, manipulation of Congressional investigations, and more
Illegally using government websites to promote Mar-a-Lago
Rex Tillerson was an Order of Friendship winner from Putin and obviously has huge conflicts of interest being the ex-CEO of Exxon-Mobil

04-25-2017 , 12:17 PM

#27778

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Originally Posted by Melkerson

Yeah, one of my the most hilarious memories of the campaign that I have is when I saw an interview with Ken Bone where he was talking about the pros and cons of Clinton and Trump and at one point he said something like, "Well Trump is going to be better for me financially, but ... "

Never heard what came after the "but" because I was laughing uncontrollably for a solid minute.

He is a coal plant operator

04-25-2017 , 12:24 PM

#27779

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Originally Posted by Our House

When Trump touts, everyone supporting him scrambles to find evidence to back him up. They're trying to reverse engineer the truth. Just look at the wiretapping claim and how far people have gone to justify it.

In the SCOTUS case, they often state the fact that other presidents rarely confirm someone in their first 100 days as rationale for his major achievement, ignoring the much bigger facts behind it. Just like everything else he does.

Here's an idea: why don't we stop egging Trump on to do something massive for his first 100 days?

Donald, listen to me: you've done plenty. Much to be proud of. Take the week off and chill.

04-25-2017 , 12:26 PM

#27780

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Originally Posted by Namath12

Has Kenny Bone's finance game been parsed itt? It's entirely possible that he's sitting on his late Aunt Gertie's collection of priceless cat-themed china.

WHICH HE WILL NEVER SELL HOW DARE YOU!!!

04-25-2017 , 12:28 PM

#27781

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Originally Posted by einbert

Any of this ringing a bell @lew189

Sessions lied under oath
Conway illegally promoted Ivanka's clothing line
Blatant nepotism by hiring Ivanka and Jared Kushner, two people who have absolutely no experience or related knowledge
Flynn looking worse and worse by the day, possible treason
Collusion with Putin and a cover-up of said collusion through lies under oath, manipulation of Congressional investigations, and more
Illegally using government websites to promote Mar-a-Lago
Rex Tillerson was an Order of Friendship winner from Putin and obviously has huge conflicts of interest being the ex-CEO of Exxon-Mobil

Don't forget the one thing that could probably get Trump evicted from the WH right now, if they care enough: Emoluments.

04-25-2017 , 12:34 PM

#27782

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Originally Posted by suzzer99

Here's an idea: why don't we stop egging Trump on to do something massive for his first 100 days?

I wonder if he realizes he's got only 5 days left to start nuclear war. Hell, for all we know, he may be planning to ask Congress for it at tomorrow's meeting.

04-25-2017 , 12:38 PM

#27783

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Originally Posted by CalledDownLight

if you're beyond the IRA deduction limit then contributing via Roth is a freeroll. It makes sense to use a Roth in this situation not necessarily because you expect the government to honor their pledge, but because there isn't really any more risk to having your money in a Roth than in a Traditional at that point. Also, a Roth effectively increases your contribution limit because the amounts are the same even though they are post-tax dollars.

The risk is you get taxed twice.

Its a negative freeroll

04-25-2017 , 12:39 PM

#27784

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Originally Posted by TheHip41

The risk is you get taxed twice.

Its a negative freeroll

I'm talking about an IRA here. If you're doing this then you're already getting taxed on the front end no matter what so you at least give yourself a chance to not get taxed on the back end.

04-25-2017 , 12:41 PM

#27785

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Originally Posted by CalledDownLight

I'm talking about an IRA here. If you're doing this then you're already getting taxed on the front end no matter what so you at least give yourself a chance to not get taxed on the back end.

401k no tax now
Roth tax now

401k tax later
Roth tax later

this is the negative freeroll.

04-25-2017 , 12:41 PM

#27786

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Originally Posted by Our House

I wonder if he realizes he's got only 5 days left to start nuclear war. Hell, for all we know, he may be planning to ask Congress for it at tomorrow's meeting.

The only positive bump he's gotten in the first 100 days was when he bombed Syria. Not good for a guy who just wants to be loved.

04-25-2017 , 12:42 PM

#27787

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Originally Posted by TheHip41

401k no tax now
Roth tax now

401k tax later
Roth tax later

this is the negative freeroll.

He's saying if you already maxed out your traditional IRA.

*Which then you should max your HSA, then worry about Roth.

04-25-2017 , 12:45 PM

#27788

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that makes more sense

04-25-2017 , 12:46 PM

#27789

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Originally Posted by suzzer99

He's saying if you already maxed out your traditional IRA.

*Which then you should max your HSA, then worry about Roth.

If you are beyond a certain income limit you cannot deduct IRA contributions from your income taxes. Thus, you have to pay the tax now no matter what so you might as well convert that to a Roth as a freeroll for no tax later. If it doesn't work then it doesn't work, but no harm in doing it.

04-25-2017 , 12:52 PM

#27790

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Originally Posted by einbert

Imagine if forgetting the capital of Syria was the worst thing Trump did during the campaign...

04-25-2017 , 12:57 PM

#27791

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Originally Posted by otatop

Imagine if forgetting the capital of Syria was the worst thing Trump did during the campaign...

Well, forgetting the capital of Syria IS the worst thing in this post.

04-25-2017 , 12:58 PM

#27792

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Something I bitched about a ton in the campaign is that once the media figured out Palin and Johnson were dumb they constantly tried to stump them because it was good for clicks and lols, but inexplicably Trump(who is much, much dumber) avoided that.

Like someone on Twitter said during the health care thing, the best question to ask Trump about health care is not some weird tangential bull**** about the Freedom Caucus or Democratic support, but instead:

"Can you briefly explain how your health care plan works?"

04-25-2017 , 01:00 PM

#27793

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10 years from now like 25% of the population is gonna claim to have voted for Johnson.

04-25-2017 , 01:01 PM

#27794

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Originally Posted by CalledDownLight

That's only for Roth I believe (> $132k). https://www.fidelity.com/retirement-...mits-deadlines. You can always contribute to traditional.

04-25-2017 , 01:01 PM

#27795

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Jason Chaffetz: The Oversight Committee needs all the info you have on Mike Flynn.
Trump: Nope.

I guess that's it? We move on to the next thing now?

04-25-2017 , 01:03 PM

#27796

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Originally Posted by eyebooger

Too nitty to point out that Wisconsin doesn't have a border with Canada?

yeah but wisconsin's problem is the big farms are making too much milk, putting some of the little ones out of business because they can't sell it at all. Wisconsin makes more milk than canada. Trump just wants to win though, and doing tarriffs that get spin off as helping america industry (even if it's gonna backfire hard somewhere else) is WINNING to his base/media/etc.

looks like flynn gonna get thrown under the bus.

04-25-2017 , 01:04 PM

#27797

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lew189

I value ethics highly.

LOL please.

You didn't give nary a **** about DREAMer's being deported even after it was explained to you numerous times what a DREAMer was.

Remember, you said "Rules are rules!" That has nothing to do w/ ethics.

You have ethics when it's convenient to you but that's about it.