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04-20-2017 , 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by TheHip41
Or they just lied. Because that's what they do.
This article makes it sound so much worse.

Basically everyone, the Generals, the Defense Department, and the White House lied or didn't know where the carrier was going, and it took a third party publication to do some detective work to find out where the carrier was actually headed. But carrier groups aren't some hidden asset, they're big ass ships and it's relatively easy for any country to quickly find out where they are, so there wasn't any point to subterfuge if that's what they were actually trying to do.

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This had been part of the problem from the start: even if the Vinson had been where the White House said that it was, the Administration spoke about its mission in ways that were incoherent. The contradictions, the infighting, the muddling of motives, and the diplomatic recklessness of the Administration can be so distracting that it is possible to miss the fact that a fleet is in the wrong ocean. Where does the triage begin—with the facts or the follies? And, meanwhile, what, exactly, was Xi supposed to tell the Koreans? The White House and the Pentagon were either deliberately deceiving the American people and setting up our partners, and potential partners, for a shared mortification, or they just don’t know what they are doing. Or both. This was a group effort in humiliation.
http://www.newyorker.com/news/amy-da...social_twitter
04-20-2017 , 11:42 AM
https://twitter.com/kslnewsradio/sta...74319155724288




A) What's up w/ Chaffetz? Not running in 2018 is one thing, but not finishing the term seems to indicate something out of the ordinary, no?

B) Would the current number 2 on House Oversight take his spot as Chair, or would it be someone else not currently on that committee?
04-20-2017 , 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Bigoldnit
https://twitter.com/kslnewsradio/sta...74319155724288




A) What's up w/ Chaffetz? Not running in 2018 is one thing, but not finishing the term seems to indicate something out of the ordinary, no?

B) Would the current number 2 on House Oversight take his spot as Chair, or would it be someone else not currently on that committee?
A)$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

B) I assume they would move up someone and then appoint another person to take that person's place.
04-20-2017 , 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
This article makes it sound so much worse.

Basically everyone, the Generals, the Defense Department, and the White House lied or didn't know where the carrier was going, and it took a third party publication to do some detective work to find out where the carrier was actually headed. But carrier groups aren't some hidden asset, they're big ass ships and it's relatively easy for any country to quickly find out where they are, so there wasn't any point to subterfuge if that's what they were actually trying to do.



http://www.newyorker.com/news/amy-da...social_twitter
I read something somewhere that I can't find a link to making the point that the specific people who should have been thinking about where naval assets are located and are going and how that information should be incorporated into the administration's messaging are not Trump or Mattis or McMaster, but rather various assistance secretaries and deputy assistance secretaries who simply aren't there because Trump is too much of a ****-up to staff his own administration. That explanation is really much worse than the administration just lying for public consumption because it really calls into question the administration's ability to create and execute a strategy. If they can't track where a carrier is for purposes of just talking about it, how can they track it for purposes of using it?
04-20-2017 , 12:04 PM
Chaffetz just doesn't want to get yelled at town halls anymore then run for either hatch's seat in 18 or gov in 20 then pres in 28. Gonna be tough for him to do that under the public eye with his current seat. Funny how he was the biggest loser for trump beating clinton, he was gonna be the biggest R star ever in a clinton pres with his million investigations he certainly was gonna do.
04-20-2017 , 12:18 PM
I'm currently updating the spreadsheet of this thread's development, and now saw the Alternative Facts were introduced on Day 3 of Trump's presidency.

Could have sworn it was during the campaign.
04-20-2017 , 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by sofocused978
He hasnt threatened to bomb Venezuela yet for taking the GM factory. Sad!
Well, they did give 500k to the inauguration. You don't mess with your funding.
04-20-2017 , 12:40 PM
Who is that moron?
04-20-2017 , 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Fatal Checkraise
I'm currently updating the spreadsheet of this thread's development, and now saw the Alternative Facts were introduced on Day 3 of Trump's presidency.

Could have sworn it was during the campaign.
That's the first time they were named as such, AFAIK; though I wasn't paying as much attention to details before Day 1, so Kellyanne certainly could have plagiarized the term from someone else.
04-20-2017 , 12:47 PM
Having an incumbent who isn't as personally loathed as Chaffetz would help the Rs keep the seat by removing a lot of attack ad ammunition
04-20-2017 , 12:50 PM
Republicans are trying to push another super-quick vote on AHCA 2.0 next week, they've essentially caved to the Freedom Caucus.

I'm with Dave Weigel here, I think what might happen here is that they eventually pass something through the House and Trump just declares victory without signing anything into law, because there's no chance anything that gets Freedom Caucus house votes makes it through the Senate even with reconciliation.
04-20-2017 , 12:52 PM
Pretty sure that Brady not showing up was personally the most damaging thing that's happened to Trump this month.

Gisele: "You go and you'll regret it for the rest of your (short) life."

Tom: "But he'll be so sad."
04-20-2017 , 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by ymmv
You can use per capita if you like, but lol @ the higher institutions you are talking about being more than even a pipe dream for tens of millions of americans. That is just disjointed from reality.

And you can call BS if you'd like on it not being attainable in the sense that "Well 1 kid from Harlem got into Harvard," but cmon.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ion_attainment

If you're too lazy to click, we are 44th.
Is it 44th or 3rd? Under OECD data I rank for "Age 25-64 %" and the U.S. is 3rd behind Canada and Russia.

edit: lol. looks like you didn't realize you were looking at the alphabetical order. tables, graphs and spreadsheets ... how do i read 'em? it fit your narrative so you just ran with it huh?

i'll go ahead and disregard all the dribble you posted after that post.

Last edited by ligastar; 04-20-2017 at 01:00 PM.
04-20-2017 , 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
Republicans are trying to push another super-quick vote on AHCA 2.0 next week, they've essentially caved to the Freedom Caucus.

I'm with Dave Weigel here, I think what might happen here is that they eventually pass something through the House and Trump just declares victory without signing anything into law, because there's no chance anything that gets Freedom Caucus house votes makes it through the Senate even with reconciliation.
So the GOP strategy is: if we can't agree on actual governing, can we at least agree to pretend like we're governing?

Unfortunately, this isn't the alternative universe where Senate dems have the guts to vote it through (or not oppose it) and Trump has to veto it.
04-20-2017 , 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
Republicans are trying to push another super-quick vote on AHCA 2.0 next week, they've essentially caved to the Freedom Caucus.
Which means the bill will be even worse for the average American than the last one was. But anything to undo Obama, right?
04-20-2017 , 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by simplicitus
So the GOP strategy is: if we can't agree on actual governing, can we at least agree to pretend like we're governing?

Unfortunately, this isn't the alternative universe where Senate dems have the guts to vote it through (or not oppose it) and Trump has to veto it.
Trump would hope to put heat on Senate Republicans. He hates Graham and McCain anyway. I'm not sure why they just didn't do this in the first place.
04-20-2017 , 01:11 PM
Really the main goal is to be able to blame the Dems no matter what, as we saw when the first AHCA vote was pulled because those D meanieheads wouldn't vote for it despite Rs having ~20 more votes than it needed to pass.
04-20-2017 , 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
This is actually worth digging into. The Pats, clearly on Trump's urging to Kraft, tried two different explanations:

1)


Of course, then the question became how many players went, and it turned out only 3 skipped Obama while almost half the team skipped Trump.

So the Pats came up with round 2:


Presumably they ran through their old photos to find another time when a bunch of players skipped.

LOL the backchannel stuff here must have been DELIGHTFUL
NFL clearly needs more black players. I mean there were only 50 black players who played on the Patriots roster last year.
04-20-2017 , 01:19 PM
Does Jasoninthehouse become the worst twitter handle ever of the name of a reboot of the LL Cool J sitcom Man of the House?
04-20-2017 , 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by ligastar
Is it 44th or 3rd? Under OECD data I rank for "Age 25-64 %" and the U.S. is 3rd behind Canada and Russia.

edit: lol. looks like you didn't realize you were looking at the alphabetical order. tables, graphs and spreadsheets ... how do i read 'em? it fit your narrative so you just ran with it huh?

i'll go ahead and disregard all the dribble you posted after that post.
how is Australia only at 10% of 25-34 year olds? Would've guessed they were similar to the US, Canada, and the more educated European countries.
04-20-2017 , 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by CalledDownLight
how is Australia only at 10% of 25-34 year olds? Would've guessed they were similar to the US, Canada, and the more educated European countries.
i'd like to see the actual OECD report(s) where this data is being pulled from (but am too lazy to search for it). the AUS data jumped out at me too (as surprising).

point stands that ymmv was pounding his chest with alphabetized data.
04-20-2017 , 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by simplicitus
Pretty sure that Brady not showing up was personally the most damaging thing that's happened to Trump this month.

Gisele: "You go and you'll regret it for the rest of your (short) life."

Tom: "But he'll be so sad."
Trump basically got cucked by Gisele. Sad!
04-20-2017 , 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Fatal Checkraise
I'm currently updating the spreadsheet of this thread's development, and now saw the Alternative Facts were introduced on Day 3 of Trump's presidency.

Could have sworn it was during the campaign.
You might be thinking of "fake news" which definitely was during the campaign.
04-20-2017 , 01:52 PM
Does anyone have the the weight specifications for the players who attended in 2015 and 2017? Would be interesting to compare total tonnage visited. I'm guessing Trump got a higher ratio on offensive lineman.

      
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