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09-20-2017 , 01:53 PM

#57776

markksman

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Quote:

Originally Posted by uke_master

i thought Ryan was supportive saying they would insta pass Cassidy-graham if the senate did?

As noted wrong guy but with this bill why would congress people in New York and California vote to pass it?

09-20-2017 , 01:56 PM

#57777

Matty Lice

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Quote:

Originally Posted by stinkubus

Non-zero chance the generals want this and he's just playing along.

Yea, didn't they just get $700 billion for basically no reason at all? Poor John Kelly. All distraught but doesn't quit.

09-20-2017 , 02:26 PM

#57778

DVaut1

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Nothing that wouldn't have been guessed and isn't already well understood, but still almost astounding to digest sometimes, in addition to the fact it's in a conservative affiliated publication:

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner...os-yuval-levin

Quote:

Yesterday, Politico reported on two internal memos recently circulated among senior White House staffers that announced a new information-management process around presidential decisions.

Quote:

he staff secretary is to oversee an organized system of pre-decision-memo development in which key facts and the views of different officials are represented, and this system is to be the only way by which documents reach the president. And then the staff secretary is to oversee an organized system of post-decision-memo distribution by which the president’s decisions are recorded and formalized.

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But the memos also suggest that the senior team, and especially the new chief of staff, understand the source of the problem they confront, and how different that problem is from what past White Houses have generally had to deal with. While the two memos describe something related to the familiar information flow of the modern White House, they actually imply a concern about information that is roughly the opposite of how most presidential staffs have had to think: In the past, the White House information flow has been designed to make sure the president hears from the full breadth of advisors available to him and that decisions he reaches are made clearly known. But Trump’s team is worried less about making sure their boss has all the information he requires than about making sure he’s not exposed to extraneous information which may not be true but which he is powerfully inclined to believe and accept. And they are worried less about making sure everyone knows what the boss has to say than about drawing clear distinctions between his formal, binding decisions and things he says that are just things he says.

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The source is President Trump’s own disordered character, which apparently leaves him incapable of self-discipline and in turn makes him unfit for complex executive functions. That’s not some sort of medical diagnosis. It’s just an observation about how he has been handling a very difficult job. It would not be enough even to say that the president constantly cracks under the pressure of that job. He appears, rather, permanently cracked under that pressure, and maybe just permanently cracked even before and without that pressure.

The 'news' here, if we can call it that, is Trump has a staff of people that are forced to create formal policies, trying to pare down the information he gets and are too often foiled by some rogue staffer handing him printouts of Fox Nation or Breitbart articles.

The more interesting piece for me is that I sometimes like the NeverTrump style of Trump criticism because normal, everyday Trump opponents tend to lean a little more on the acerbic side, a lot of sarcasm, a lot of the criticism treated as self-evident.

The NeverTrumper, on the other hand, in writing for a bunch of right-wingers, sometimes come up with the most straight forward and clear-throated take downs. The normal Trump critic would just call him a dumbass. The NeverTrump runs the gamut of possibilities, either that Trump is cracking under the pressure of a difficult job, or that he is "permanently cracked even before and without that pressure." Damn son.

09-20-2017 , 02:57 PM

#57779

ScreaminAsian

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Mueller Seeks White House Documents Related to Trump’s Actions as President

Robert S. Mueller III, the special counsel, has asked the White House for documents about some of President Trump’s most scrutinized actions since taking office, including the firing of his national security adviser and F.B.I. director, according to White House officials.

Mr. Mueller is also interested in an Oval Office meeting Mr. Trump had with Russian officials in which he said the dismissal of the F.B.I. director had relieved “great pressure” on him.

The document requests provide the most details to date about the breadth of Mr. Mueller’s investigation, and show that several aspects of his inquiry are focused squarely on Mr. Trump’s behavior in the White House.

09-20-2017 , 03:01 PM

#57780

champstark

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ScreaminAsian

Mueller Seeks White House Documents Related to Trump’s Actions as President

Robert S. Mueller III, the special counsel, has asked the White House for documents about some of President Trump’s most scrutinized actions since taking office, including the firing of his national security adviser and F.B.I. director, according to White House officials.

Mr. Mueller is also interested in an Oval Office meeting Mr. Trump had with Russian officials in which he said the dismissal of the F.B.I. director had relieved “great pressure” on him.

The document requests provide the most details to date about the breadth of Mr. Mueller’s investigation, and show that several aspects of his inquiry are focused squarely on Mr. Trump’s behavior in the White House.

this seems significant

09-20-2017 , 03:15 PM

#57781

StimAbuser

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Jesus tap dancing christ

09-20-2017 , 03:16 PM

#57782

ScreaminAsian

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lol

09-20-2017 , 03:16 PM

#57783

mutigers

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yuval levin has always been among the most reasonable conservatives fwiw. i have agreed with some of this points in various NRO articles. at the very least he usually does a pretty good job of acknowledging counterarguments in good faith which is more than can be said for 90% of NRO writers

09-20-2017 , 03:20 PM

#57784

sylar

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What a giant FU to Iowa, Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Florida.

09-20-2017 , 03:20 PM

#57785

otatop

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Originally Posted by StimAbuser

Jesus tap dancing christ

Go **** yourself, Lindsey.

09-20-2017 , 03:23 PM

#57786

DVaut1

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Originally Posted by mutigers

I still read NRO pretty consistently. It used to be the dependable, go-to place for median conservative opinion. Now they're basically outcasts on the right and the median right-wing opinion is just an old white guy typing NIKOLA TESLA KNEW VACCINES CAUSED GLOBALISM AND WITH HIS INVENTIONS WE WOULD BE FREE FROM BLACK PEOPLE BY NOW IF GEORGE SOROS DIDN'T STEAL HIS MONEY INTO NAZIS COFFERS into the Breitbart comments section. So there's probably really no point. But still, I do it.

09-20-2017 , 03:27 PM

#57787

Victor

banned

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Originally Posted by amurophil

Pretty sure he was banned more than a decade ago for trolling awice too hard. Original sn: http://archives1.twoplustwo.com/show...Number=6652805

he had a few alts after that acct was perma'd but I dont remember any of them

heh. I remember that dude. had an infamous photo floating around this website. seems he is doing well so that is good.

09-20-2017 , 03:29 PM

#57788

Matty Lice

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So Trump had lunch today with a bunch of African leaders. He spoke about the country Nambia. Where's Nambia? It doesn't exist. Dude is just aces. 4D Chess.

http://theweek.com/speedreads/725851...frican-leaders

09-20-2017 , 03:34 PM

#57789

eyebooger

Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 58,837

Quote:

Originally Posted by ScreaminAsian

Mueller Seeks White House Documents Related to Trump’s Actions as President

Robert S. Mueller III, the special counsel, has asked the White House for documents about some of President Trump’s most scrutinized actions since taking office, including the firing of his national security adviser and F.B.I. director, according to White House officials.

Mr. Mueller is also interested in an Oval Office meeting Mr. Trump had with Russian officials in which he said the dismissal of the F.B.I. director had relieved “great pressure” on him.

The document requests provide the most details to date about the breadth of Mr. Mueller’s investigation, and show that several aspects of his inquiry are focused squarely on Mr. Trump’s behavior in the White House.

Documents about the firing of Michael Flynn? I wonder why. Is it to implicate Pence in all of this ****?

09-20-2017 , 03:37 PM

#57790

d10

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Originally Posted by Matty Lice

He was thinking of NAMBLA

09-20-2017 , 03:49 PM

#57791

stinkubus

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sylar

What a giant FU to Iowa, Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Florida.

The bill seems to essentially punish all states which initially took the Medicaid expansion and help those states which did not.

09-20-2017 , 03:49 PM

#57792

TheNewT50

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Matty Lice

He's got a 2/21 chance of adding a consonant to -ambia and coming out unscathed. N wasn't a bad choice statistically--way better than Qambia or Wambia--but he couldn't quite hit the 2-outer.

09-20-2017 , 04:05 PM

#57793

StimAbuser

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https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...graham-cassidy

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Pat Roberts
... [Graham-Cassidy] is the last stage out of Dodge City. I’m from Dodge City. So it’s the last stage out to do anything. Restoring decision-making back to the states is always a good idea, but this is not the best possible bill — this is the best bill possible under the circumstances.

If we do nothing, I think it has a tremendous impact on the 2018 elections. And whether or not Republicans still maintain control and we have the gavel.

Jeff Stein
But why does this bill make things better for Americans? How does it help?

Pat Roberts
Pardon me?

Jeff Stein
Why does this make things better? What is this doing?

Pat Roberts
Look, we’re in the back seat of a convertible being driven by Thelma and Louise, and we’re headed toward the canyon. That’s a movie that you’ve probably never seen —

Jeff Stein
I do know Thelma & Louise, sir.

Pat Roberts
So we have to get out of the car, and you have to have a car to get into, and this is the only car there is.

09-20-2017 , 04:13 PM

#57794

AllTheCheese

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Quote:

Originally Posted by markksman

As noted wrong guy but with this bill why would congress people in New York and California vote to pass it?

Because Obama was black.

09-20-2017 , 04:21 PM

#57795

AllTheCheese

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Quote:

Originally Posted by StimAbuser

Jesus tap dancing christ

This picture sucks imo because the more interesting figure would be how much each state loses or gains per capita.

09-20-2017 , 04:26 PM

#57796

StimAbuser

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AllTheCheese

This picture sucks imo because the more interesting figure would be how much each state loses or gains per capita.

get a calculator and get to work, shouldn't be too hard.

09-20-2017 , 04:33 PM

#57797

sylar

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Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 20,307

Quote:

Originally Posted by AllTheCheese

This picture sucks imo because the more interesting figure would be how much each state loses or gains per capita.

per recipient of medicaid would be even better

09-20-2017 , 04:37 PM

#57798

TheHip41

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i think -27,xxx should be enough

09-20-2017 , 04:54 PM

#57799

AllTheCheese

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Quote:

Originally Posted by StimAbuser

get a calculator and get to work, shouldn't be too hard.

I mean in terms of conveying the relevant information. Like for instance I don't think you would necessarily take away from this pic that Mississippi is the biggest winner by far or how badly the plan hits Oregon.

09-20-2017 , 05:16 PM

#57800

otatop

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Manafort you beautiful idiot.

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“If he needs private briefings we can accommodate,” Manafort wrote in the July 7, 2016, email, portions of which were read to The Washington Post along with other Manafort correspondence from that time.

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