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Originally Posted by cuserounder
Here's the deal guys, Trump is on the verge of handing the Democrats what might be the single greatest opportunity to drive a wedge through the opposition in US politics in my lifetime.
Want 2020 to be the greatest curb stomping since Reagan/Mondale? Split their party in half.
1. Announce that you'll only negotiate with Trump if McConnell promises to put any bill to re-open the government that Nancy and Donald can agree on up for a full vote in the Senate.
2. Get Trump to agree to something that's a non-starter for Senate Republicans.
3. Sit back and enjoy your win-win, because if it passes, as many of us have pointed out, you're getting a huge win trading $5B that will never fully fund the wall for a priority. If it doesn't pass, you've split the GOP in half and the infighting is tremendous for you.
Here's what my take it or leave it final offer would be:
- Full citizenship for an expanded set of Dreamers (Anyone brought into the US by parents/guardians who was under the age of 18 with no violent criminal record.)
- Expand legal immigration and temporary work visas
- A path to citizenship (that takes fewer than 5 years) for all undocumented immigrants in the United States without any violent criminal record
- Fixing all the stuff they did to undermine the ACA and opting every state into Medicaid expansion.
- Abolish ICE and no government agency gets to go around and deport non-violent undocumented immigrants anymore, since the ones currently here are becoming citizens and Trump is building his wall to protect the border - anyone who manages to get over the MAGA GREATEST WALL EVER without being detected within 50 miles of the border gets to stay. As of 2016, ICE was spending $3B a year on finding undocumented immigrants for deportation.
for
- $5B for the wall
- An additional $3B/yr for the wall starting in 2020 and coming directly out of the former ICE budget
Then obviously if/when you win in 2020, you stop the stupid $3B/yr, but the rest can't be reversed very easily if you lose. And that's my final offer, my opening offer would include a public option for Obamacare - perhaps just allowing people to buy-in to Medicare for the average cost per month of it in premiums based on age or something like that. I'd also include an initial demand for Trump to admit that Mexico wasn't paying for the wall.
But I'd be willing to drop those and take the deal above, and I might even take it without the ACA fix since it's unrelated.
But like the fact that Democrats have all of the leverage here does not mean that their best play is to tell the GOP to shove it up their ass and maintain the status quo. That's giving up tons of political capital that has been bestowed upon you. When you have an edge you press it and get something for it.
Just standing firm on this and letting the government re-open under the status quo would be almost like checking back the winning hand on the river when your opponent showed you his hand after he checked.
man i like you and respect your take on things generally but this post is hot garbage. i mean that list is pretty lol but for real, trump is gonna agree to abolish ICE? you're an otherwise reasonable guy, so i want some of the drugs you're currently consuming, i haven't tripped in a while. for real, PM me.
also dems don't have an "edge", they aren't going to extract concessions out of the GOP just for funding the government and if they tried that then the tables would really turn and then there's a legitimate argument that democrats are being unreasonable/obstructing/at fault
tl;dr - no