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11-21-2012 , 03:20 PM
I prefer the Ruger LCP if you're interested in a tiny .380.

My assessment is that the PPK is a higher quality pistol than the LCP, but I don't think it'a a noticeable enough difference to justify the price difference.

The 380 is a slightly more powerful cartridge than the .32, but in real world terms they're nearly identical.

Here's a brief primer on "action"

"Single Action" is a pistol like NeBlis prefers, where the hammer must be manually cocked. Pulling the trigger performs the "single action" of dropping the hammer.

"Double Action" means the trigger pull performs both the functions of bringing the hammer back and dropping the hammer.

A couple more "SA/DA" means "Single Action/Double Action" this means the hammer can be manually cocked, or cocked with a trigger pull. Typically these pistols are close variations of the John Browning design. The first shot is a longer trigger pull, as the hammer is pulled back then released. After the round is fired, the slide moves to the rear, cocking the hammer. Each follow up shot after will be a SA shot, and a shorter trigger pull.

"DAO" means "Double Action Only". These pistols only utilize the Double Action trigger pull. They cannot be manually cocked for a shorter trigger pull.

Last edited by DblBarrelJ; 11-21-2012 at 03:32 PM.
11-21-2012 , 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by DblBarrelJ
I support open carry LAWS.

Tactically, what NeBlis said is true. It's draws undue attention to you. The issue isn't really even getting robbed for your gun as much as it is being somewhere while a robbery occurs and bringing what is likely an emotionally unstable individual to a sudden fight or flight decision in the gas station he was planning to rob.

That being said, I still support your right to do it, I just don't encourage or recommend it. However, I want both OC and CC. If the state is being stupid and only wants to pass one or the other CC>>>>OC only.
In what way does the reluctance to open carry strengthen the idea that an armed society is a polite society? The idea is that criminals will be less likely to commit a crime if they are worried about those around them being armed. It would seem like people supporting this assertion would want to open carry. I'm sure the logical bridge exists, which is why I'm hoping someone with more knowledge on the issue can help me find it.
11-21-2012 , 03:45 PM
At the risk of being attacked here, aside from the tactical considerations already given, I believe the issue is perception. In most cases, OC, to put it bluntly, makes you look like a nutjob. Some are in fact nut jobs. I've dealt with quite a few in my career, many of whom became extremely disappointed when they realized I a) knew gun law and b) wouldn't be providing them with any interesting YouTube footage to put on the Internet gun forums to go viral.

I believe politically the backlash to OC nuts and their often generally douchy behavior could be damaging to the gun rights movement.

The argument generally goes that CC protects everyone, as those who mean to do harm to society have no idea who may be armed. OC only protects the carrier.

Furthermore, OCers open themselves up to be targeted first.
11-21-2012 , 03:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DblBarrelJ
At the risk of being attacked here, aside from the tactical considerations already given, I believe the issue is perception. In most cases, OC, to put it bluntly, makes you look like a nutjob. Some are in fact nut jobs. I've dealt with quite a few in my career, many of whom became extremely disappointed when they realized I a) knew gun law and b) wouldn't be providing them with any interesting YouTube footage to put on the Internet gun forums to go viral.

I believe politically the backlash to OC nuts and their often generally douchy behavior could be damaging to the gun rights movement.

The argument generally goes that CC protects everyone, as those who mean to do harm to society have no idea who may be armed. OC only protects the carrier.

Furthermore, OCers open themselves up to be targeted first.
I can kind of get behind this idea. My thought was that, with OC, society might be better off than only CC because someone is less likely to commit a crime if there is a visible gun nearby, but the OC'er himself would be more at risk, meaning that understandably, people might not want to put themselves at risk to benefit the rest of society. As in, if a confrontation occured, the OCer might be the first target, so that even though less confrontations overall occurred, which would be a good thing, the OCer himself is in more danger in case there actually was one.
11-21-2012 , 03:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DblBarrelJ
Tactically, what NeBlis said is true. It's draws undue attention to you. The issue isn't really even getting robbed for your gun as much as it is being somewhere while a robbery occurs and bringing what is likely an emotionally unstable individual to a sudden fight or flight decision in the gas station he was planning to rob.
This, I forgot to mention... or explain. Having a concealed gun lets you decide when its coming out if at all. Open carry means the gun is coming out every time.
11-21-2012 , 04:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DblBarrelJ
I believe politically the backlash to OC nuts and their often generally douchy behavior could be damaging to the gun rights movement.
Case in point California. Essentially the activists there douched themselves into no carry at all.

GA is a mixed bag, we have made great strides and most of the OC guys are very cool... but there are always the bad apples.
11-21-2012 , 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Low Key
So I've spent some time trying to figure out a nice, comfortable, smaller-sized pistol and I'm leaning towards something like this. I'm not entirely sure of the difference between the ppk 32 and the ppk/s 380, nor do I know what double action is. I plan on looking all that stuff up later, but if anyone knows offhand, I certainly wouldn't stop you informing me.
Your first handgun needs to be a fullsized pistol, likely in 9mm. You need to shoot the hell out of it, take classes, and generally learn. Small guns like the Walther or its clone the Bersa, Ruger LCP etc kick like hell, and are relatively inaccurate. Your going to have enough growing pains, you don't need to learn bad habits fighting with a "cool" gun that you bought before you knew what you liked.
11-21-2012 , 04:12 PM
Well GA is a different place anyway.

In the more rural areas, you're not going to really freak anyone out with your OCing, unless you're going all ape**** with an AK slung across your back or carrying a pistol in your hand walking down the median like douchenozzle did or something.

I still wouldn't recommend it in the North metro. Out in Douglas they'll just roll their eyes and nod. Cobb Co, good luck with that.
11-21-2012 , 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by DblBarrelJ
Out in Douglas they'll just roll their eyes and nod. Cobb Co, they gonna taze you bro
fyp
11-21-2012 , 05:00 PM
low key, I can confirm the ruger lcp .380 is a very good first time gun for your wife. it's very tiny, fits into the palm of your hand but does have a little kick which is good to prepare her for the inevitable step up to 9mm.

I love how small it is. hold I'll dig up a pic of it in my hand...
11-21-2012 , 05:03 PM
A fullsize 9mm is going to have less recoil than a tiny .380.
11-21-2012 , 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by DblBarrelJ
A fullsize 9mm is going to have less recoil than a tiny .380.
and be more accurate, easy to operate, and take much cheaper ammo.

wiper = wrong

the LCP is good pistol, its not a good first or only pistol.
11-21-2012 , 05:42 PM
Based on photos I've seen, I think the recoil would be a bigger issue for Low Key than Gizmo.
11-21-2012 , 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by DblBarrelJ
Based on photos I've seen, I think the recoil would be a bigger issue for Low Key than Gizmo.
Hard to say since the Dbag snubbed me on my offer of a get together when I was in KC
11-21-2012 , 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by NeBlis
Your first handgun needs to be a fullsized pistol, likely in 9mm. You need to shoot the hell out of it, take classes, and generally learn. Small guns like the Walther or its clone the Bersa, Ruger LCP etc kick like hell, and are relatively inaccurate. Your going to have enough growing pains, you don't need to learn bad habits fighting with a "cool" gun that you bought before you knew what you liked.
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Originally Posted by wiper
low key, I can confirm the ruger lcp .380 is a very good first time gun for your wife. it's very tiny, fits into the palm of your hand but does have a little kick which is good to prepare her for the inevitable step up to 9mm.

I love how small it is. hold I'll dig up a pic of it in my hand...
The lone review for the one I linked seemed to indicate that there wasn't too much recoil. Hopefully I can find a similar one in a local shop and test fire it or something.

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Originally Posted by NeBlis
Hard to say since the Dbag snubbed me on my offer of a get together when I was in KC
Gawd, I'm sorry I didn't have time to send you the standard confidentiality & release forms I make any 2p2'er I meet irl sign!
11-21-2012 , 07:56 PM
Alright, I found a nice, affordable 9mm:



Snap purchase?
11-21-2012 , 07:58 PM
Your double taps are gonna suck IMO.
11-21-2012 , 08:49 PM
so hard to find a good pre-ban FAL that meets my every desire.
11-21-2012 , 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by NeBlis
/ agree

or Daniel Defense, Noveske, or BCM
These plus Knight's Armament, Larue Tactical, Colt, Lewis Machine and Tool and Palmetto State Armory are on my list of AR's I'd feel more comfortable with in life or death situations, just based on my intertron keyboard warrior research. Spike's Tactical is supposed to be top notch also but from what I've seen of his Arfcom postings, the top dog of that company is a certified douchebag.

Most people don't put PSA in the same tier as the others I've listed here mainly because they are a growing company with growing pains having trouble keeping up with their massive numbers of orders so they tend to ship uppers and rifles slowly. But if you have patience, they offer the most value for quality components imo.

I finally put the finishing touch on my shtf AR, an Aimpoint T1 2 MOA micro on a Larue QD tall mount. And damned if it didn't confirm for me that I have a mild astigmatism, little flares shooting off in different directions from the red dot, in the same pattern I see when I look at Venus when it is very bright.
11-21-2012 , 11:23 PM
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Originally Posted by NeBlis
wiper = wrong
wouldn't be the first time (today) brother.

anyway..

wait, i can't figure out if the new photobucket is private or not, so i guess i won't post the pic. wtf

edit: i don't want my whole library for everyone to see. and every time i click on 'private' i don't know if only i can click through my pics or everyone can.

i posted the acp pic, but i can click through my library and i don't want everyone to. ha



edit 2: that's it. only not my hand this time

Last edited by wiper; 11-21-2012 at 11:29 PM.
11-21-2012 , 11:25 PM
also, i have no idea what i'm talking about in regards to guns. i just like them.

so don't listen to me. (i'm being serious haha)
11-22-2012 , 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Low Key
Gawd, I'm sorry I didn't have time to send you the standard confidentiality & release forms I make any 2p2'er I meet irl sign!
well... offer stands if your in ATL or I'm back out here.
11-22-2012 , 10:46 AM
Any opinions on Stag Arms ARs? Or Bushmaster?
11-22-2012 , 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by gusmahler
Any opinions on Stag Arms ARs? Or Bushmaster?
They are grossly overpriced and lean more toward commercial spec, with commercial buffer tubes and 1/9 twist barrels instead of 1/7.
11-22-2012 , 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by gusmahler
Any opinions on Stag Arms ARs? Or Bushmaster?
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Originally Posted by Mexibastardhawk
They are grossly overpriced and lean more toward commercial spec, with commercial buffer tubes and 1/9 twist barrels instead of 1/7.
I like allot of the Stag stuff actually, especially the new "3gun" model. I don't think they are a bad price, but you could likely do more with your money, they offer all the good stuff for a little price bump.

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Originally Posted by stagarms
in addition to our standard features listed above the Plus Package includes:

- 4150 CMV barrel steel chrome lined
- 1/7 Twist rifling
- Individually MP & HP tested and marked Bolt & Barrel
- M-16 Bolt Carrier
- Heavy (H) buffer assembly
- One extra 30rd USGI Magazine (two total)*


Cost:

Rifle: $100
Upper half: $75.00 (Does not include magazine or heavy buffer)
if you like the Bushmasters you should buy a Colt

      
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