yeah because you're a cop apologist

What happens is this; particularly with regards to sticking the hands out the window, the cop believes he's stumbled into a major crime. He doesn't know if he's just unknowingly stopped someone who's just committed an armed robbery or what.

Many MANY people who otherwise would've gotten away with **** too quickly surrendered to police assuming the cop was onto their crime, when in reality the cop was just stopping them for failure to maintain lane.

Polite and respectful is the way to go. I don't recommend stating you have a weapon unless the cop instructs you to exit the vehicle. Prior to that, if the cop doesn't bring it up, neither should you. This is of course assuming you're not in a duty to inform state.

I have common sense.

I don't have this strange fear and hatred of police and look for any petty excuse to fire them.

I think, therefore I'm different than you.

oh a personal attack good job dbl

spite is a dish best served at your own extendedly painful expense

In some states, you're required to state when you're carrying if you're stopped by a cop.

I don't live in one of those states. Yet my CCW instructor said to inform the cop anyway--when he runs your license through the computer, it'll show that you're a CCW holder and he'll wonder why you didn't mention it.

I thought it sounded weird. If the first thing you say to a cop is "I have a gun," it sounds like a threat.

I have heard that, if you're asked to step out of the car, you should inform the cop that you have a gun, otherwise he'll panic when he sees you armed.

On the subject of revealing to an officer if you're carrying, I've always done it and I'm not legally required. It just eases the situation, and lets them know you are most likely not doing anything illegal.

However, I do not verbally state that I am carrying, I simply hand over my license, registration, proof of insurance, and CCW license. Every time up to this last one it could not have gone smoother, and I usually wind up talking to them about weapon choices, the NRA, etc... I am we'll aware that I do not have to tell a police officer, but I believe it's the right thing to do.

Magpul flips the bird to Colorado fascism:

From the Facebook page.

My CHL instructor gave the same advice as Dbl, don't reveal that you have a CHL unless asked. My CHL instructor is also a LEO.

Right on to Magpul. Makes me even happier with all of the Magpul furniture on my AR.

+1

My buddy who is a deputy sheriff says he is always more leniant to CCW holders because they are more than likely upstanding citizens.

I've seen a CCW permit called a "get out of jail free" card on more than one occasion on other gun boards. Must be something to it IMO.

Yea, that's all well and good until you run into one that I dealt with once from a county east of Atlanta who had a habit of illegally disarming people, field stripping their weapons and emptying the magazines round by round into the trunk "for his safety".

Much of this is very much variant on where you're at. In my county, your friend would probably be spot on. In most places however, the best advice is not to bring it up. That's why it's the generally accepted training policy by people who are paid to train others to use and carry guns.

I've seen a CCW Permit called an "ATF Invitation Card" on more than one occasion on "gun boards" as well.

I'd recommend seeking professional advice from a reputable trainer. I believe you'll find my opinion on this issue to directly mirror Rob Pincus, Massad Ayoob, Clint Smith and many other reknown experts in the field.

When the cops run your driver's license through the computer, does it show if you have a CCW permit?

That seemed to be my CCW instructor's worry. You don't mention your permit to the cop, then he runs your name through the computer and it shows you have a CCW permit. So then he goes through the whole "exit the car with your hands up" routine because he's worried you might have a gun.

It does in some states I'm sure, not this one.

I don't, I train others not to because its providing info to the police you're not required to, and you risk it ending badly.

Without question my gun is much safer to all parties involved sitting comfortably in my holster than getting passed around.

I guess I can go along with the whole passing the CCW with the DL bit, if you want to give cops extra info, but don't announce you've "Got a gun".

However gus, your question is a bit misguided anyway. The kinds of cops who are going to flip out and go stupid when they discover through running your license that you've been issued a CCW are the same ones who are going to freak out when you pass it through the window. It's not like there's a lot of cops who are going to reply with my standard answer to "I have a gun" which is a smartass smile and a reply of "cool, me too" if you pass the CCW through with the license but are gonna go full blown nazi if they catch you not disclosing it. The nuts are gonna nut.

I heard a bit on NPR today about how this company is manufacturing a material that can read vein-prints (yes, vein-prints: it doesn't use finger prints or palm prints, and it is 99.9% reliable. Off-topic, are bullets/guns in general that reliable?).

They talked about how it seemed like the NRA leadership was against implementing the use of such a product on guns to make sure that the "child finds gun, kills sibling" type thing doesn't happen, whereas the footsoldiers of the NRA might be okay with such legislation.

Thinking about the fears over privacy or gun grabbing or whatever you want to call it, I started wondering - What exactly is the fear of any and all regulation driven by? Like, nowadays, it's pretty accepted that whatever BS Obama tries to push through doesn't have much of a chance of becoming law. And that's kinda fine with me. But something useful that could save innocent lives while also providing reliable protection, why would anyone be against that? What is the long-term concern about gun control?

I know I'm just creating strawmen here because I really don't get the logic behind the fear, but what is it? Is Obama going to take all the guns and then declare himself ruler for life of New Kenyan Africa, as America will then be called? Of course not. He's just going to leave office in four years. And who in the government is going to keep "going after" the guns? Our government isn't really comparable to any of the previous regimes that would take all the guns then start invading other countries while ethnically cleansing our own.

I do get that fear isn't logical, I just don't see what the end-game is for the paranoid folk.

Well, now the NYS Supreme Court has filed an injunction. The State has until the end of April to prove that the NYSAFE Act is constitutional which, based on previous rulings by said court, will be difficult to do. Further, it may open up the flood gates, allowing we NYS gun owners to push farther, not only eliminating the garbage in NYSAFE, but the AWB put into place many years ago.

Do your part, Tsao. Get the word out, talk to your neighbors. Now's the time for a big push.


I called it pointless because I have no articulatable reason for getting it. It's not for SD, nor hunting, I just "wanted it" =) I'm a big fan of early 1900s military weapons, and plan on collecting a bunch. Considering my bankroll, I gotta start with the cheap stuff first lol.

"I wanted it" was the only reason. I surely didn't look at it as an investment; I mean, I got a non-hex Mosin for ~$200 lol. I'm already behind the 8ball there. But it's an absolute beauty, just a tiny area of pitting, solid rifling, no rot, barely any nicks, no cracks, no gouges. None of the screws are stripped, all the parts are in good condition, and it cycles beautifully. If you seen me traipsing the wintery woods of WNY with my fur hat, you'd think the Bolsheviks had returned lol.

LK, IDK why all this stuff is always super complicated to you (maybe it's because you don't own a gun).

I want my brother/father/mother/friend/etc to be able to use my gun if needed. It's really that simple.

my neighbors probably support the gun control crap. it's NY.

FYP ;P

From the Magpul Facebook Page:

How do they determine that their customers are responsible?

"There isn't a ban yet but you better load up just in case."

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When you first posted Magpul's statement about moving out of state if the magazine ban passed, it looked like they might actually be making a stand on behalf of gun owners. This ad campaign shows they are just doing it for the marketing.

Well the two certainly aren't mutually exclusive.

They are standing up for the rights of gun owners, doing so is going to cost them a nice chunk of change, so they're doing an ad campaign to tell everyone they're standing up for gun rights to recoup those losses.

Now if Magpul does all this, the ban passes, and they accept some sweetheart back room deal to stay in CO, that's when I turn my back on them.

Oh, I must not have mentioned it. But the technology lets you add other people to the weapon's approved list. So this tech most likely wouldn't have stopped like a Lanza-style school shooting.

It's not coating them anything, unless you count advertising as a huge loss. That's all this campaign is. They'll come out way ahead, just look at how much you love them for what they're doing. Gun nuts will flock to their products and they've admitted as much by talking about how much their upping their production.

This big move out of CO plus losing a states revenues is going to be costly rjoe.

The move won't cost them anything and will likely save them money when a gun nut state steps in and gives them TIF money to move there.