I assume you are saying this because there are more combinations of 45 than there are aggregate combinations of 22, 33, 66, and QQ (which isn't true of 45 v. JT or 45 v. air)

If that's your point, you are drawing an unwarranted assumption about my thought process. Specifically, you are assuming that I ignored the number of possible starting combinations when I came up with a proposed order of likelihood for (i) through (v).

I didn't do a mathematical calculation, but conceptually I was taking all variables, including the number of possible starting combinations, into account.

i like that doctors/lawyers are at 130, but congress which is mostly made up of doctors/lawyers becomes 110.

I find it interesting Media is in above average range.

Is that thinking Fox is smart or is that feeling intellectually inferior to people like Anderson Cooper or is that believing they are all even smarter and could be doctors/lawyers if they wanted to be?

No I think politics is by definition going to get more heated so it should have higher tolerance. not lower. I thought that was clear.

I'm also not saying SMP should be shut down - as politics was. I'm just saying that is some ****-posting from a mod.

You have a lot of false assumptions and strawmen to unravel with every post.

"Politics ought to have a higher tolerance than other forums" is a different statement than "the Politics forum wasn't shut down due to personal attacks, as evidenced by personal attacks from other forums". OrP was just arguing the second of those, which seemed to be what your earlier post was saying.

(fwiw I don't think your first point was entirely wrong; I don't think it was all about incivility either, and I think Mason pretty much said something to the effect that ideological differences were part of the issue. But I also agree with OrP that the posts you quoted from zeno don't really establish the claim that concern about personal attacks had nothing to do with it either. There can be multiple reasons. Also I think it's well established that it was not just about how vitriolic things were compared to other forums, but how many complaints that generated. No one really complains about SMP, even if they ought to.)

I'm saying the Politics forum isn't the only place with personal attacks. And imo I can understand it more in Politics than SMP since most political discussion these days is basically just people screaming at each other.

SMP doesn't have to be like that. There's no call for putting down other posters just for throwing out ideas about what aspects of civilization might or might not last 10s of millions of years. I guess it's been that way for so long everyone is used to it and it seems normal. But it doesn't have to be.

And before you compare that to politics - remember how many posters come in to Politics "just asking questions" and then within a day max start spewing all the derpiest right-wing talking points. That's why people are quick to jump on those kinds of posters sometimes. They know what's coming. Personally I wasn't nuts about that. I think you still need to give new posters the benefit of the doubt even if maybe <5% of the time they're literally just asking questions or throwing out ideas in good faith.

But SMP doesn't have that problem. No one has an agenda. It should be a supportive free-flowing discussion of ideas. Which is doubly hilarious because apparently Zeno doesn't believe in climate change. And has also supposedly gone on BruceZ-esque racist rants - although I heard that second-hand so it could be wrong.

But basically SMP has had a reputation for a long time as being overrun by that kind of attitude. I took a chance on that thread because I was interested in the subject matter. It was my question in politics that I'm pretty sure spurred keeed to make the thread. But I unsubscribed from that thread and I won't be going back in. Which is a shame because I love science and think it could be a fun forum to hang out in. But not if I'm going to be insta-titled by mods talking down to people in dripping condescension for no reason like that.

I don't think anyone will disagree that politics isn't the only place with personal attacks, and I also sometimes wish that SMP was as cool as a forum with that name ought to be (IMHO). You can always check out this sweet SMP thread though

To the extent that you were just venting about SMP I don't think OrP is arguing with you. He was reading your post as more of a commentary on this forum than that one.

The difference seems to be whether you best deal with the bigger problem of personal attacks in politics by trying to stop the small fires before they get out of control or by being more relaxed about small fires and dealing with more out of control fires.

re SMP, the personal attacks simply don't carry the hate/animosity of those in politics (or much more rarely). They are far more good natured and we would just about all happily have a drink together. In politics some people will barely speak to their family (ok that's true of SMPers as well)

Ok well if they all know each other and that's just their way of good-natured ribbing, then I guess its different. Not really my idea of fun though - so I'll keep out.

They just save their harshest words for anonymous black people.

Can't believe trump is below Einstein. Lawyers look a bit high as well

In SMP I wouldn't need to add (and this somewhat obvious example is the difference)

https://secondnexus.com/news/jon-dec...ist-chat-room/

Damn those lefties FoxNews correspondents calling right-wingers other FoxNews hosts racist for defending Trump's rhetoric. Uncivil!

I bet the Overton Window has shifted so much since then that those same comments wouldn't even raise an eyebrow now.

You'd just be LARPing as someone with a Charlie Chaplin stache

Well, maybe not you, but your pals

It's not really about knowing each other. In politics (in general although some in this forum has somehow made a virtue of it) people seem to look for the worst in others - and they always find it.

He said otherwise when the crackdown happened a while back. I mean, we all knew it was bull**** at the time, and there are many now-mod-deleted posts saying as much, but that’s what he said. But he’s a demonstrable liar so whatever.

I'm much more understanding of a political debating instantly getting rancorous than I am of a mod putting down other posters for no reason in a random science thread.

Also it's just ****-posting "You're dumb but I can't be bothered to explain why so I'll leave you to figure that out." It's like 3rd grade BS that 99% of the internet grew out of during the great usenet wars of the late 90s.

Hasn't Sklansky been a losing player for 20+ years?

No, I’m questioning your assumption about the psycho river bluff and the weight you’re giving it. Factor a river bluff out of the equation and I think you could find a fold.

So am I

I don't think it's supposed to be deep but I've had a look now and although you may not care for it but it's no big deal and there's no animosity involved.

I hear he makes a fortune by sitting with his detractors and calling big river raises

Hypothetically or in actual life?

If you agree with my thought process but disagree with my assumptions, there isn't much to discuss. You obviously are free to disagree.

Almost everyone who has chimed in agrees with me but that doesnt count for much.

You are blabbering now.

And you are a racist fascist who only cares about yourself.