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10-15-2018 , 10:16 AM

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jalfrezi

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People are expecting you to demonstrate that.

10-15-2018 , 10:21 AM

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Victor

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not really sure why ppl are interacting with him. hes obv posting heinous toothsayer-lite ideas to get a reaction.

10-15-2018 , 10:25 AM

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Trolly McTrollson

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Originally Posted by jalfrezi

People are expecting you to demonstrate that.

No, actually most of us would prefer it if he’d shut the **** up and go back to Fake Italy.

10-15-2018 , 10:25 AM

#54

jalfrezi

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Mods seem to be unwilling to ban him for posting in bad faith.

10-15-2018 , 10:25 AM

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jalfrezi

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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

No, actually most of us would prefer it if he’d shut the **** up and go back to Fake Italy.

Prefer yes; expect unfortunately not.

10-15-2018 , 10:30 AM

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Luciom

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Originally Posted by jalfrezi

Mods seem to be unwilling to ban him for posting in bad faith.

you keep asking for me being banned, because I write things you disagree with. And you call them "bad faith" because you literally can't comprehend that someone could hold a different value scale from yours.

10-15-2018 , 10:34 AM

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jalfrezi

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Incorrect. I'm not asking for you to be banned, but to be told to post more honestly.

I can't comprehend how someone can spend so much of his life making up opinions on the fly in order to annoy random anonymous people, unless they're paid to do it.

10-15-2018 , 10:42 AM

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Luciom

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Originally Posted by jalfrezi

who are you to tell me than I am dishonest about what I write?

I don't make up opinions in the fly, my position about the " equality issue" has been developed in 2 decades, since when I abandoned Catholicism as a young boy.

Can you stop going ad hominem and either disregard what I write or answer my arguments? This is ridiculous.

10-15-2018 , 10:58 AM

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jalfrezi

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Your arguments tend to be of the form:

"A happens because of B"

{Example given of when a B didn't cause an A}

"Fake B!" or a redefinition of A

10-15-2018 , 11:11 AM

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.Alex.

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Originally Posted by einbert

--The second and more realistic scenario is that libertarianism isn't concerned much at all with the NAP in practice. In fact capitalism is and always has been based on dominating your opponent at will. We see this constantly in the U.S. market where the big players will lobby in Congress to have their opponents outright banned from the market, e.g. the NFL vs online poker. In this scenario, libertarianism isn't actually pushing against the momentum of slavery, exploitation and theft of resources from the Global South, etc., but is actually pushing towards it with every pressing moment.

I would argue the second scenario is more accurate.

Not entirely sure how a bunch of fascist authoritarians trying to ban something despite clear objections mostly centering around libertarian-style arguments helps your point.

The one person in this forum that has been the least concerned with the NAP as it relates to moving forward in society is you.

10-15-2018 , 06:07 PM

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chezlaw

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Originally Posted by Luciom

It is true that there isn't (and there is no way there can be) any equality of opportunity.

Because parenting matters, genetics matters, choices matter.

That's why it is monstrous to ask for society to eradicate all the elements that are in place that create different opportunities for people.

We should embrace inequality as the biological mandate that it is. We are built from the ground up to be very unequal among us. We are built both for cooperation and for competition. Disallowing either is anti-humane, is going against an indissoluble element of what makes us human beings.

We can give an higher floor for everybody given that we have more and more resources.

But any effort toward equality as a goal per se is morally wrong.

And every ideology that puts equality as something of intrinsic value is inimical to human quality of life. Because the apparatus needed to disintegrate the things that generate inequality inevitably destroy quality of life, as everything that goes purely against all instincts and all human nature does.

It is sane, healthy, biological, normal, morally positive to want our children to succeed and to invest into them more than we invest in other people.

It is sane, healthy, biological, normal, morally positive to have a decent amount of greed and desire and to act according to it.

It is monstrous, inhuman, antibiological, morally disastrous to pretend it is wrong to be selfish at times, or to have a preference for your family in comparison to strangers.

Equality-loving ideologies need to destroy the value we attach to family, and to personal possession (which is deeply imbedded in our genes), and to fight against our basic, more natural more intimate insticts.

That's why those ideologies are the worst possible value scale a human being can have.

Biology has imposed an extreme dislike of inequality on me (and on many others).

Does this aspect of biology not count?

10-15-2018 , 06:37 PM

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Huehuecoyotl

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Originally Posted by Luciom

You need to cash these out into actual policies though. It's pretty easy to think of times when preferring your own children to strangers is detrimental to society or when greed can be bad.

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