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01-09-2008 , 01:01 AM

#551

Francis_MH

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Wait...so even though Obama lost, they actually tied because they got the same amount of delegates?

01-09-2008 , 01:03 AM

#552

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Originally Posted by IlliniLou

im not a very political person but im wonderin this, if Hillary wins, who would be her vice-prez? what about Obama's? anybody have any ideas?

I think Hillary picks Joe Biden, Obama certainly will consider him. He's perfect for going after the Republican nominee, and is generally viewed as having experience, especially in foreign policy.

01-09-2008 , 01:04 AM

#553

zer0

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i think obama goes for webb

01-09-2008 , 01:05 AM

#554

Bump_Bailey

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Quote:

Originally Posted by CharlieDontSurf

McCain is a much safer Pres than Rudy/Hillary/Edwards/Huck.
He essentially has been bs'ing for the last couple years trying to shore up the republican base. Deep down they know that the second he gets in as pres and they come around like and say we want u to do this this and this...he's gonna turn around, smile, and say go **** yourself.

I disagree, he strikes me has a having a very expansive view of Federal powers and being very militaristic.

The McCain/ Hildog match up seems to the republicans best and arguably only chance of winning come November.

01-09-2008 , 01:05 AM

#555

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Quote:

Originally Posted by revots33

According to exit polls on MSNBC, people who felt "Experience" was most important went OVERWHELMINGLY for Clinton, something like 71% to 5%.

Although more total people listed "Change" as most important, the gap was much narrower (something like 45%-30% for Obama or thereabouts).

This does not bode well for Obama IMO. Whereas Hillary can re-tool her campaign and position herself as an agent of change also (first woman prez, etc.) - Obama can't do anything to give himself more experience.

My fear is that the Clinton machine will keep pounding away on his lack of experience and paint him as a good orator and nothing more. There is not really that much else that separates Obama from Clinton, in terms of policy - so his skills as an inspiring speaker are really all he has to hang his hat on.

I thought it was hilarious when Clinton was in the debate and basically yelling, "I can bring change! I HAVE BROUGHT CHANGE! I've been bringing change for 35 YEARS!"

WOW! She's been an arbiter of change for 35 years! She must be constantly evolving...........is she even human anymore?

01-09-2008 , 01:06 AM

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Also I think Hillary has a clear early polling edge in some of the biggest states like NY, NJ, FLA, PA, and CA. Obama really needed to keep the momentum going I think to overcome that.

Right now I'm having a hard time envisioning him the winner after Super Tuesday. I think South Carolina will be his last chance. He will need a win there or he's done before we even get to Super Tuesday.

01-09-2008 , 01:06 AM

#557

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All I know is if Hillary wins, Bloomberg enters the race. I don't think he wins but a Bloomberg/Obama Unity 08 ticket would be fun to root for and watch

01-09-2008 , 01:07 AM

#558

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Francis_MH

Wait...so even though Obama lost, they actually tied because they got the same amount of delegates?

if so, perception is everything in politics

01-09-2008 , 01:07 AM

#559

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01-09-2008 , 01:09 AM

#560

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Berge20

In many ways, I'm glad to see the primaries splitting like they are in the early states. I'm of the belief that all Americans should have the opportunity to select their party's nominee and not have it be significantly impacted by those states at the front of the calendar.

Why is it better if it's significantly impacted by the states at the end of the calendar?

01-09-2008 , 01:11 AM

#561

Bump_Bailey

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Obama needs to go out and make the case that being married to a GOV/ Prez does not give you experience.

01-09-2008 , 01:11 AM

#562

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pvn

Why is it better if it's significantly impacted by the states at the end of the calendar?

more diverse parts of america choose the candidates

01-09-2008 , 01:17 AM

#563

Ineedaride2

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Why don't they just have a super super Tuesday? Then everyone can decide in tandem.

I'm sure there's a good reason, so I guess I'm asking what it is.

01-09-2008 , 01:18 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ineedaride2

Why don't they just have a super super Tuesday? Then everyone can decide in tandem.

I'm sure there's a good reason, so I guess I'm asking what it is.

Most candidates don't have the ability to run a nationwide campaign in the beginning of the primary season.

01-09-2008 , 01:18 AM

#565

KneeCo

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bump_Bailey

Obama needs to go out and make the case that being married to a GOV/ Prez does not give you experience.

paraphrasing from Chris Rock re: Hillary:
"If my wife got on stage right now, no one would laugh at ****"

01-09-2008 , 01:20 AM

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Some had proposed a rotating schedule of primaries with 1 big state, 1 medium, and 1 small on the same day. This seems fairly reasonable to me.

01-09-2008 , 01:30 AM

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daryn

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anyone read ellison's invisible man? obama reminds me of the main character.

01-09-2008 , 01:36 AM

#568

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Finally found a video link to Obama's concession speech:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/...ml#cnnSTCVideo

click on Obama.

01-09-2008 , 01:39 AM

#569

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I watched the clip on youtube and I saw no tears whatsoever. Am I missing something?

01-09-2008 , 01:42 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ikestoys

more diverse parts of america choose the candidates

And hopefully we have reached the age when the "diverse" states stop following NH and Iowa.

01-09-2008 , 01:43 AM

#571

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Quote:

Originally Posted by CharlieDontSurf

All I know is if Hillary wins, Bloomberg enters the race. I don't think he wins but a Bloomberg/Obama Unity 08 ticket would be fun to root for and watch

This would ensure a Hillary win.

The anti-Hillary factor is huge enough to push alot of people into voting Republican, even those who aren't that happy or enthusiastic about it.

A third party candidate would syphon off alot of anti-Hillary votes.

01-09-2008 , 01:44 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ElliotR

You have to wonder whether some people tell pollsters they'll vote for Obama but then have an issue voting for a black man in the privacy of the polling booth when no one is looking.

Read this, it's interesting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_effect

01-09-2008 , 01:45 AM

#573

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Quote:

Originally Posted by iggymcfly

I think the scariest development in this whole race is how much support McCain's getting. 17% to win the general election now according to InTrade. Does no one realize that he's a f*cking lunatic? He worries me way more than HRC or Huckabee or even Giuiliani. He's got a military fetish and nothing would make him happier than to see a massive war between the United States and the entire Middle East. I would seriously consider leaving the country if he were elected president.

McCain isn't a lunatic, but he isn't as naive as some of the other candidates in the matter of war. What experience do Obama and Hillary have in matters of war? I personally like McCain b/c he isn't afraid to say what he thinks and I guess you might be a little right that he is a bit crazy, but who isn't when they spent 5 years as a POW?

01-09-2008 , 01:47 AM

#574

CharlieDontSurf

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The most interesting matchup would be
Huckabee vs. Clinton vs. Bloomberg

01-09-2008 , 01:51 AM

#575

KneeCo

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interesting bit of trivia:
It's the first time that four different candidates have won the Democratic and Republican races in Iowa and New Hampshire since the modern era of primaries was ushered in in 1976.

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