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09-11-2012 , 10:28 PM
Ron Paul is better.
09-11-2012 , 10:32 PM
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Do you believe your stance on marijuana will cause older people, or people generally not in favor of marijuana use to dismiss you as just "that guy for pot legalization" instead of focusing on your other stances on issues?
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Originally Posted by GJ
Hopefully, this issue will be a litmus test as to whether or not I have a brain.
Some pretty good responses lol
09-11-2012 , 11:24 PM
doesn't GJ want to abolish the IRS and implement a different tax system? how does this not get an auto vote from everyone in america? More $$$ in everyone's pockets. I understand he has very little / no chance at winning, but can someone explain to me how/why this isn't enough for a vote?
09-11-2012 , 11:26 PM
new tax system doesn't automatically = Smaller tax bill
09-11-2012 , 11:28 PM
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Originally Posted by gwai lo
doesn't GJ want to abolish the IRS and implement a different tax system? how does this not get an auto vote from everyone in america? More $$$ in everyone's pockets. I understand he has very little / no chance at winning, but can someone explain to me how/why this isn't enough for a vote?
Most "fair" taxes that don't require an IRS will be very unprogressive in the sense the rich will pay proportionally less than they do now and everyone else more. That doesn't even matter to most people though, it's mostly just people are scared of change.
09-11-2012 , 11:42 PM
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Originally Posted by collinz10
Ron Paul is better.
No, Ron Paul is worse.
09-11-2012 , 11:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Scary_Tiger
Most "fair" taxes that don't require an IRS will be very unprogressive in the sense the rich will pay proportionally less than they do now and everyone else more. That doesn't even matter to most people though, it's mostly just people are scared of change.
The Fair Tax is a very specific tax plan, not just "a fair tax".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FairTax

Personally, I'm skeptical of the Fair Tax, although I do consider pretty much any form of taxation to be an improvement to income tax, and a sales tax definitely qualifies. It's also entirely possible to make a sales tax progressive, although I think this plan isn't very except for giving everyone a rebate on about $10k of spending.

Last edited by AlexM; 09-11-2012 at 11:51 PM.
09-11-2012 , 11:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Scary_Tiger
Most "fair" taxes that don't require an IRS will be very unprogressive in the sense the rich will pay proportionally less than they do now and everyone else more. That doesn't even matter to most people though, it's mostly just people are scared of change.
ahhh I shouldn't post this, but I can't help myself. Why should "rich" people have to pay more than someone who is poor? How is that fair or logical? I do somewhat agree that if you make something over 5M a year you should pay a "little bit more" since that money would mean less to that person. My understanding of the core concept of America is that you can become rich or great from total nothing if you work hard enough. If you were poor and then became rich, you should be penalized because of your hard work? that seems incredibly stupid to me.

I also believe that under the current system, people who are "rich" are more likely to pay less tax than poor/middle class people because of loopholes in the tax laws and their ability to use their money to seek advice from professionals who know how to do this. Does this make any sense even though what I'm saying is somewhat poorly worded?

I also agree that people are VERY VERY scared of change and are unlikely to try something new because it is foreign to them.
09-11-2012 , 11:53 PM
The problem with the whole less vs. more thing is that there are different measurements. Someone who pays 10% on 1 million pays tremendously more than someone who pays 15% on 20k. A flat income tax is actually already inherently "progressive".
09-11-2012 , 11:54 PM
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Originally Posted by AlexM
The Fair Tax is a very specific tax plan, not just "a fair tax".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FairTax

Personally, I'm skeptical of the Fair Tax, although I do consider pretty much any form of taxation to be an improvement to income tax, and a sales tax definitely qualifies. It's also entirely possible to make a sales tax progressive, although I think this plan isn't very except for giving everyone a rebate on about $10k of spending.
this seems awesome compared to the current system...
09-12-2012 , 12:09 AM
The problem with this site is that they fail to understand the power of reddit.

Gov Johnson doing an AMA will get him back in the news, for good or bad, but these fools that run this site won't have the foresight to piggyback, even after all they have done to promote him.
09-12-2012 , 01:16 AM
By "this site" you mean 2+2?
09-12-2012 , 01:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Steam_Roller
Gov Johnson doing an AMA will get him back in the news, for good or bad
AMA on 4chan would get him on the news IMO

09-12-2012 , 01:57 AM
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Originally Posted by AlexM
No, Ron Paul is worse.
I agree with Alex on something!

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Originally Posted by AlexM
The problem with the whole less vs. more thing is that there are different measurements. Someone who pays 10% on 1 million pays tremendously more than someone who pays 15% on 20k. A flat income tax is actually already inherently "progressive".
Well, that didn't last long.
09-12-2012 , 02:55 AM
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Originally Posted by zikzak
Well, that didn't last long.
There's something you disagree with in that? It's a flat out factual statement.
09-12-2012 , 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by AlexM
The problem with the whole less vs. more thing is that there are different measurements. Someone who pays 10% on 1 million pays tremendously more than someone who pays 15% on 20k. A flat income tax is actually already inherently "progressive".
I think it depends how you look at it. The take home pay difference here is 17,000 vs. 900,000. A progressive structure would say that the 900k earner should pay more because of how much they are taking home.
09-12-2012 , 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by FourFins
I think it depends how you look at it. The take home pay difference here is 17,000 vs. 900,000. A progressive structure would say that the 900k earner should pay more because of how much they are taking home.
And they are....
09-12-2012 , 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by AlexM
There's something you disagree with in that? It's a flat out factual statement.
If you want to redefine "progressive" as something that negatively effects low income earners far more than high income earners, then yeah, it's "factual".
09-14-2012 , 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by zikzak
If you want to redefine "progressive" as something that negatively effects low income earners far more than high income earners, then yeah, it's "factual".
Progressive is something where people pay disproportionate amounts based on income. A flat income tax qualifies.

Or maybe you should try being roommates with someone who makes a third of what you make and suggest splitting costs based on income?
09-14-2012 , 10:24 AM
One of you is using the common usage while the other is using the literal usage. Move along.
09-14-2012 , 03:34 PM
It's official.


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Third party won’t be on Oklahoma’s November ballot

The Oklahoma Supreme Court has ruled that local members of the Americans Elect Party didn’t have the authority from the national group to seek having presidential and vice presidential nominees placed on the state’s Nov. 6 general election ballot.

A third political party has lost its bid to get its presidential and vice presidential nominees on Oklahoma’s Nov. 6 general election ballot.

The Oklahoma Supreme Court ruled unanimously Thursday to deny a request from the Oklahoma Americans Elect Party to have its nominees and the party’s seven presidential electors listed.

The high court also denied the party’s request to grant a temporary injunction requiring officials to halt printing ballots.

All state and local absentee ballots were printed Thursday afternoon, state Election Board Secretary Paul Ziriax said.

“The Election Board is on schedule with our general election preparations, including being able to meet the Sept. 21 deadline to send absentee ballots to military and overseas voters, as required by federal and state law,” he said. “We remain on schedule for county election boards to receive their shipments of absentee ballots by Monday.”

The printing of regular and sample ballots is expected to begin Friday, Ziriax said.

James Linger, the attorney for the Oklahoma Americans Elect Party, said he was hoping for a different outcome.

“I have to review the decision to decide if there should be a motion to reconsider or something,” said Linger, of Tulsa.

Election officials, after getting advice from the state attorney general’s office, decided last month not to place the Americans Elect nominees on the ballot. National party officials never authorized the formation of a local party group or committee in Oklahoma, nor did they file the paperwork or complete the necessary tasks to be recognized as a political party in the state, Senior Assistant Attorney General Neal Leader said during arguments before a Supreme Court referee last week.

The Supreme Court in an order, written by Chief Justice Steven Taylor, said Oklahoma laws regulate recognition of political parties and the placement of presidential electors on a ballot.

The Oklahoma Americans Elect Party members were never authorized to act on behalf of the Americans Elect party, which was formed in Washington, D.C., the order states.
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http://newsok.com/third-party-wont-b...rticle/3709599
09-14-2012 , 09:07 PM
Oklahoma is just the home of the brave. The land of the free part is other states.
09-20-2012 , 11:38 AM


"Ahhh, **** it all."
- David Mayo, filling out his absentee ballot.
09-20-2012 , 01:38 PM
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09-20-2012 , 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by LirvA
states rights save the state from itself?

      
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