Does the senate have a severance package?

I don't think it will get any kind of real play regardless of its real or not.

NO .... he is a hope of a different sort though.

Neither McCain nor Obama can "save us" and we are in for a solid screwing from either one. A McCain win will allow hacks like you to continue preaching your tripe about "evil republicans" and fellatiating the next democratic nominee. An Obama win will accelerate the economic thrashing. He will not withdraw our troops he will expand government faster than PVNs waistline at a hotdog buffet.

The inevitable fail that is Obama will convert more people to libertarianism than we can even dream of. A hard fast slap in the face for America that government doesnt solve our problems it creates them.

I beleive that Obama is a savior of sorts, just not the way you nutswingers are thinking. My only fear is an FDR type legacy of evil.

racist ban IMO

He would lose so fast it would take your socks off.

I don't think there is anyway he is a muslim though. He went to a Christian Church for 20 years.

ahahahaha, ahaha, this is pure gold. The fact that you actually act as if you actually know anything about international diplomacy is laughable.

I don't know what "pans out" means here. It's not like there's new information forthcoming. This actually isn't a new story at all. This is Obama's communication director Robert Gibbs from 2007 addressing the 'document', from an AP article in 2007:

I think the Obama campaign has consistently maintained the document was a mistake. According to the AP, Indonesia requires listing one of the five state sanctioned religions to get into the school, and when your mom is an atheist and your step-dad is nominally a Muslim, you probably tell the school your kid is a Muslim. From the LA Times:

This is just one of the right's favorite tactics; repeating old stories as somehow impressive and shocking news in an attempt to get the media to turn it into new 24/7 media fodder. The intent here isn't to "prove" Obama's a Muslim; the intent here isn't to get the story to "pan out". It's just to make sure people hear "Obama" and "Muslim" in the same sentence as many times as possible. The Obama campaign will treat it as they've treated every other "Obama is a dangerous foreign Muslim radical" story, which is to say they'll maintain, as they always have, that the document was a mistake, that a 6 year old first grader was just going to school and wasn't religious. And the right will attempt to treat the "Obama is a dangerous foreign Muslim radical" story as they always have, which is saying "Obama", "Muslim", "Indonesia", "upbringing abroad", "foreigner", etc. over and over. Some mouth breathers will overtly claim this proves Obama is the radical Muslim they always knew he was, while the more "moderate" right will repeat all of the claims but make sure to admit they ldo don't care about Obama's "Muslim upbringing" (lol) but that this raises "questions" and "concerns" that the Obama campaign hasn't fully addressed in an attempt to goad the Obama campaign into paying attention to it and attempt to refute the charges (which they'll be forced to do), ensuring that the Obama campaign themselves are forced to focus on "Obama", "Muslim", "Indonesia", "upbringing abroad" over and over in an attempt to refute the charges, thereby ensuring it makes its way into the news cycle, so that everyone hears "Obama", "Muslim", "Indonesia", "upbringing abroad" plenty of times.

If the media doesn't comply in endlessly repeating the right's talking points over and over, the right wing noise machine will repeat the first couple of steps ("zomg news that Obama is a foreign radical Muslim, questions must be answered!"), except this time that narrative will make sure to also browbeat the "MSM" for not covering this important story and insinuating there's some kind of massive coverup, adding intrigue to the story and ensuring that all the pieces of the puzzle fit: ldo, "real Americans" can't get all of the zomg important answers because the MSM media is so liberal and in the tank for Obama, they won't answer our very important questions about Obama's apparent radical Muslim foreign upbringing. The story won't "pan out", nay, can't pan out, because the Obama loving liberal MSM just won't tell us the truth. WHAT DO THEY HAVE TO HIDE?

I think I've seen this strategy before somewhere; oh yeah it was the last 5 or so Presidential election cycles imo.

Sadly true. The press will continue to cover for the Obamessiah to whatever extent possible.

After Dvaut's post, this has to be a poor leveling attempt, amirite?

Joke post i hope?

yep... this has been my POV for quite some time (except for the pvn hotdog waistline thing), and I think I posted that previously

I remain doubtful that Americans will truly learn anything, though, even as it comes tumbling down. They are trained (brainwashed?) from the get go to believe in science/technology/government action/godness/forcing the world to be 'better'/etc. Instead of recognizing how pathetic it is to control everything via the government on both philosophical and results-oriented grounds, they'll continue to just repeat whatever mantra their respective party leaders feed them (not realizing how close the two parties are philosophically).

Honestly, your FDR fear is spot on. Hell, classrooms still fail to acknowledge what a catastrophic failure the New Deal was.

why would you think it's a joke?

as one who is not aligned with either party, it's pretty clear to see that Obama is being treated with some real kid gloves this entire time

style over substance baby... it's the American way

Please, Obama is receiving more Scrutiny then any nominee since Clinton in 92.

Anyways, Some troubling Numbers from Obama today...

Again he raised more then $51 Million and the DNC Raised $27.7 Million, good numbers on their own. The DNC has $28 Million or so on Hand, Obama $68 Million. Whats Troubling, is Obama/DNC still has not passed RNC/McCain and that somehow Obama spent OVER $53 Million in July and has nothing to show for it outside of falling Polling numbers. I can only hope most of that is for Staffers and Voter Registration and all kinds of other things, otherwise what a horrible waste.

McCain to crash DNC by playing commercials during breaks

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008...-obamas-party/

This sort of strikes me as a waste of money, or, at least, not that big a deal. I always assumed that the bump candidates got from conventions had to do with the momentum created by the significant (and generally positive) media coverage the conventions get and not so much by a bunch of undecideds watching 4 nights of political speeches and then making up their minds. Of course I could be wrong; I usually am.

It's is typically un-patriotic, un-american, and even authoritarian communistic or fascistic for the right-wing conservatives to hold up Obama's alleged Muslim upbringing as a reason to prevent his election.

This is just another example of the right preaching patriotism, freedom, and privacy while trampling on the FIRST AMENDMENT and the rest of the Constitution. Why don't you just set the American Flag on fire and have a book-burning party so that you can get rid of all those damn Qu'rans. They actually despise the freedoms afforded to us by the Bill of Rights and by the Constitution. Wiretapping, Muslims, Dues Process and Guns. The right will take Wiretapping and Guns to defeat Muslims and Due Process. They will pick and choose from the Constitution. Some parts are very important, while other parts, not so much. This is what the right wingers are all about. It is a Party of fear and hate, plain and simple. They fear and hate anyone different from them, they fear and hate the poor, they fear and hate foreigners, they fear and hate their sexuality, and at times they even fear and hate themselves. I am not kidding. They do.

Something very strange happened to the Conservative Movement and to the Republican Party after the Civil Rights Movement of the 1960's. Some very strange people with some very strange ideas left the Democratic Party and joined the Republican Party. I will let you decide for yourself exactly what that strangeness is and then you can fill in the blanks.

I hope Obama doesn't try the same thing. I think that it makes McJerk look like a party crasher or a spoiled brat, which he is.

McCain is splurging then because, by law, he has to spend his money before his convention, when public financing will take over.

Obama Confirms Relationship with CPUSA Member


However, the Obama campaign’s attack on Corsi’s book and Corsi personally acknowledges on pages 9 and 10 of its report that the mysterious “Frank” in Obama’s 1995 book, Dreams From My Father, is in fact the Communist Party USA (CPUSA) member Frank Marshall Davis. This identification by AIM and others hasn’t been disputed by the media, which has desperately tried to ignore the Obama-Davis relationship, but the Obama campaign has not responded to it until now.

The admission that Obama’s mentor was Frank Marshall Davis, an identified CPUSA member, can only add to growing public concern about Obama’s relationship with a Communist pawn of Moscow who was the subject of security investigations by the FBI and various congressional committees which examined Soviet activities in the U.S.

According to these official documents, cited first by AIM and also by Corsi in his book, Davis was a secret CPUSA member who became a member of an underground communist apparatus in Hawaii. As late as the 1970s, Davis was involved with a CPUSA front organization, the American Committee for Protection of Foreign Born, dedicated to keeping foreign communists such as labor leader Harry Bridges from being deported from the U.S. Davis, a friend of Bridges, a secret CPUSA member, became Obama’s mentor during the years 1975-1979.

Ikes -

Just jokes brah. Relax. The fact that he's computer illiterate seems damming to me. I dunno. My mother has learned to use a computer, and she's the most technophobic person I've ever known. It's a low bar, and the fact that he's never educated himself on the topic, imo, demonstrates an immense lack of...something. Whatever. Really I was just highlighting the fact that nobody is voting for McCain this election, but rather against the other guy.

Obv I'm not renouncing my citizenship due solely to incompetent executive leadership or I'd have expatted a long time ago.

wow dude. are all these accounts really the same guy?

In bdk's Prediction thread, I predicted McCain would reach between 42-45 on Intrade by Sept 1st for this reason (plus a few other factors). In order:

1) McCain was going to have to empty his war chest by the start of his convention, so the McCain spending deluge at this time should have obviously been expected ldo
2) The rash of the anti-Obama books (Corsi's, NRO's Fredosso "The Case Against Obama") were all being released around the middle of August; I assumed it there would be a week or two with a constant din of these attacks permeating the news cycle and finally impacting Obama's support a couple of points in national polls before the press stops caring and turns their attention to the conventions.
3) The hardest GOP attack narratives usually debut in mid-late August/early September; see the Swift Boat ads (actually debuted a trial balloon ad in May of 2004 but the Swifters went national ), Floyd Brown's Willie Horton (ads debuted in mid September IIRC).

I was being a little dismissive of the conventions and their respective bounces; I'm not sure my exact prediction will hold up due to the timing but I feel pretty confident the above will combine for a couple of bad weeks for Obama.

Its a been a bad month for Obama. I hope your right, but the fact of the matter is that this right is a toss up right now when just a couple of months ago we were saying it was Obama's to lose.

I'd still happily take Obama on an even money bet if anyone thinks it's really a toss up.

Toss up was probably too strong because I still feel Obama has an edge, but there is nothing out there that says his edge is anywhere near the 7:3 or so it was earlier. 5.5:4.5 is more likely at the moment.

Thankfully they still have a chance to bring it back up.