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November LC Thread **Survivor White House Edition**

View Poll Results: Who will NOT survive the month of November?

Jefferson Beleaguered Sessions III

24 52.17%

John Kelly

8 17.39%

Kjrstyn Njielessen

2 4.35%

James Mattis

7 15.22%

Ben Carson

1 2.17%

Ryan Zinke

12 26.09%

Sarah Huckabee Sanders

3 6.52%

Kellyanne Conway

1 2.17%

Rod Rosenstein

12 26.09%

Write-in

1 2.17%

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11-06-2018 , 02:45 PM

#276

dth123451

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Cheeto’s schedule today:

11-06-2018 , 02:53 PM

#277

otatop

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Fox News isn't going to watch itself.

11-06-2018 , 02:58 PM

#278

pvn

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Quote:

Originally Posted by aarono2690

No memory because it was boring or because it was amazing and you were too drunk to remember?

boooooorrrrrrrrring

11-06-2018 , 04:33 PM

#279

goofyballer

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u guise, is David Frum becoming WOKE?

11-06-2018 , 04:37 PM

#280

MrWookie

Don't Call Me Meredith

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Narrator: He's not.

11-06-2018 , 05:26 PM

#281

microbet

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SenorKeeed

My point was that serious injuries aren't being covered up at American factories, which this doesn't really address. I agree that working/safety conditions and pay are terrible in American meat plants, which is why those jobs are being filled by laborers with fake documents in the first place. Obviously meat manufacturers are getting away with terrible safety practices. But they aren't sweeping serious injuries like that one described in the article under the rug. They're reporting them and no one cares so no serious consequences for the companies comes of it.

Huh? Dunno why you changed the word from "factories" to "plants". Oh actually it's because you are doing the "no true factory" argument. Also, dude was fired and sent back to Guatemala, along with a lot of other people. The injuries weren't reported. And like with the extraction industries, this is aided by subcontractors of subcontractors of subcontractors. And that's not rare. It's how a lot of your clothes and food involve virtual or literal slave labor. The great labor conditions on the floor of your TP factory are not universal.

11-06-2018 , 05:46 PM

#282

SenorKeeed

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The employer was fined for employing child laborers, including the victim, and for safety violations. So I think the injury was reported? I'm not sure how such a serious injury could possibly be covered up. It would come out in the billing for the medical care.

Quote:

The Labor Department, in addition to finding numerous safety violations, fined Cal-Clean, Case Farms’ sanitation contractor, sixty-three thousand dollars for employing four child laborers, including Osiel. The fines and the citations against Case Farms have continued to accumulate.

The factories/plants switch wasn't intentional and doesn't mean anything. Meat processing facilities are called plants, paper production facilities are called mills or plants. I'm well aware that the good pay and adequate safety at my workplace are not universal even in the US. We have some people who used to work at Tyson who are quite happy to be working here. Although the work here is still hot, exhausting, with ****ty hours and is intrinsically dangerous. But at least there is a good safety program in place and starting pay is 22.50 an hour with medical benefits and a pension. And remember this whole tangent started talking about safety at Tesla, where the safety conditions are probably at least as good as in my mill. And with Trolly saying that the first thing that would happen if someone cut off a hand there would be they would get clocked out by management. Which, no. Just no.

11-06-2018 , 05:57 PM

#283

microbet

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I expect that's true at Tesla, but I'm sure there are large sectors where injured people are routinely threatened if they report an injury either with being fired or deported.

And neither Cal-Clean, nor Case Farms reported that injury, but yeah, the injured person or their attorney or doctor could report it. I'll try to find a list of injuries which no one ever reported to anyone else ever.

11-06-2018 , 06:19 PM

#284

forum ferret

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

Now imagine what **** is like in a meat packing plant where the workforce is afraid of deportation if they go to authorities. I think Joe Public has no clue what kinds of abusive labor practices go down.

Imagine what happens in a meat processing plant masquerading as a Christian drug court!

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TULSA — A northeastern Oklahoma drug and alcohol rehabilitation program and an Arkansas-based chicken processing corporation have been accused of human trafficking and labor law violations in a lawsuit filed Tuesday in federal court in Tulsa.

"Under the guise of providing alcohol and drug counseling and rehabilitation services," Christian Alcoholics and Addicts in Recovery (CAAIR) operated a "work camp program" in Delaware County in which court-referred participants were "required to provide free labor for Simmons Foods under constant threat of incarceration," the lawsuit alleges.

Participants received no wages and their only compensation was "meals consisting primarily of bologna sandwiches, as well as ... communal bunk-bed housing," the lawsuit alleges, adding that CAAIR and Simmons benefited financially from the "slave labor."
...

It was falsely represented to participants that they would receive drug and alcohol counseling rehabilitation, the lawsuit claims.

CAAIR is not certified as a drug treatment program through the Oklahoma Department of Mental Health and Substance Abuse Services.
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The three former workers who filed the lawsuit all said they were injured while working at the Simmons poultry processing plant.

"Spurgin was working in a chicken processing plant one night in 2014 when a metal door crashed down on his head, damaging his spine and leaving him with chronic pain," the lawsuit states. "CAAIR filed for workers' compensation on his behalf and fraudulently pocketed the $4,500 in insurance payments. Spurgin received nothing. Three years later Spurgin is still in pain and can no longer hold a full-time job."

McGahey reporting a suffering "severe crush injury" to one of his hands when it got stuck in a conveyor belt while he was attempting to help an injured co-worker.

The lawsuit says a doctor gave McGahey a splint and ordered him not to work, but CAAIR administrators called him lazy, accused him of hurting himself on purpose, and told him, "You can either work or you go to prison."

Suffering and in constant pain, McGahey is now addicted to pain medication, the lawsuit says.
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Copeland, the third former worker, was injured in a fall at Simmons Foods, according to the lawsuit.

"Despite his injury and need for physician care, Copeland was threatened with return to prison if he was unable to work," the lawsuit claims.

The lawsuit accuses CAAIR and Simmons Foods of subjecting participants to involuntary servitude, human trafficking for labor, fraud, violating federal and state labor laws by failing to pay minimum wages and overtime, breach of contract, and unjustly enriching themselves at the expense of workers.

The former workers who filed the lawsuit are asking for unpaid wages and other damages on behalf of themselves and other current and former program participants as well as a court order prohibiting "further illegal conduct" by CAAIR and Simmons Foods.

https://newsok.com/article/5567543/f...ing-violations

11-06-2018 , 06:28 PM

#285

SenorKeeed

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Quote:

Originally Posted by microbet

I read that article fairly carefully and I don't think it is mentioned if the employer reported the injury or not. But if a worker cuts off his leg they're calling an ambulance and logistically it would be absolutely impossible to try to cover up an injury where EMS is called to the workplace. They'd be absolutely nuts to try to cover it up.

11-07-2018 , 04:41 AM

#286

spaceman Bryce

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been working hard. uh overall, this election is the perfect example of a tie.
gun to head and pick one, this was good for democrats. good day for kansas dems, will write at least something tommorrow.

11-07-2018 , 04:42 AM

#287

spaceman Bryce

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lc thread right? congrats to laura kelly im sure my lawn sign was the deciding factor there.

11-07-2018 , 04:44 AM

#288

forum ferret

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hi spaceman Bryce

11-07-2018 , 04:53 AM

#289

spaceman Bryce

anything you guys want

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Quote:

Originally Posted by forum ferret

hi spaceman Bryce

HI!

11-07-2018 , 04:54 AM

#290

forum ferret

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I heard you did a thing for a campaign. Good for you!

11-07-2018 , 10:05 AM

#291

+rep_lol

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Quote:

Originally Posted by spaceman Bryce

been working hard. uh overall, this election is the perfect example of a tie.
gun to head and pick one, this was good for democrats. good day for kansas dems, will write at least something tommorrow.

bop BOP

11-07-2018 , 03:51 PM

#292

biggerboat

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I think I have sessions

Spoiler:

11-07-2018 , 03:54 PM

#293

MrWookie

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JBS3 backers collect.

11-07-2018 , 04:04 PM

#294

otatop

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Sessions' replacement:

Also, Sessions' resignation letter was undated:

11-07-2018 , 04:14 PM

#295

uDevil

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Uh, what is the significance of it being undated? He wrote it some time ago and knew it was coming and is leaving this clue to that fact? So what?

11-07-2018 , 04:19 PM

#296

smacc25

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1st time voting & A win....

Spoiler:

11-07-2018 , 04:23 PM

#297

DVaut1

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I assume half of the Trump Admin just have undated resignation letters taped to their doors.

11-07-2018 , 04:28 PM

#298

biggerboat

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DVaut1

I assume half of the Trump Admin just have undated resignation letters taped to their doors.

Part of their NDA package.

11-07-2018 , 04:31 PM

#299

otatop

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Originally Posted by uDevil

Uh, what is the significance of it being undated? He wrote it some time ago and knew it was coming and is leaving this clue to that fact? So what?

I thought southpaw was leading to something about the rules for replacing an AG depending on whether they were fired or resigned but I guess not.

11-07-2018 , 04:36 PM

#300

gregorio

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I assume Trump will just promote Rosenstein based on all the good work he's been doing overseeing Mueller's investigation.

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