Honestly, did I claim my family was special? Say there were better than anyone else's?

I'd say more because it has a 0 chance of winning and being enacted anytime soon.

And calling people idiots who don't agree with your beliefs is a great way to persuade them.

Rake equals gun is not a good analogy no matter what side you fall on

You said they were quite different than just anyone. I took that to mean superior.

Where?

Offending the delicate feelings of idiots is the nuts. I'm led to believe there's just so damn many of them, maybe the NRA and their money and the die hard 2A lovers are just a paper tiger?

Meh, maybe not the best analogy, but it's not like its the only example used, just the one you a grasping to try and make the argument be less valid because of how you perceive guns.


Clearly you and everyone else are okay with taking the rights away from someone for other people's actions as long as a gun is involved and see nothing wrong with it. So no point in arguing about it anymore.

Where what?

It's not only other people's action. The gun owner's action/failure to act is to provide access to the gun/not secure the gun properly.

I said trusting your family was quite different than trusting "just someone." I never implied or said my family was special. Not sure how you confused that.

If they're not special or better than anyone else's why are they more trustworthy having access to guns than Joe Shmo? Being average with guns sounds risky.

this may be of interest to posters ITT. I'm reminded of a National Geographic about militia warriors in some third world ****hole posing with their guns.

You messed up the link.

http://www.donotlink.com/hqip

how about now?

They really seem like a bunch that are focused on protecting the family and putting food on the table!

Well, yeah, we couldn't even get universal background checks.

But banning AR-15s(confiscating?) is also a non-starter. And if we have to pick which one to work towards, I'd take Riverman's non-starter over picking and choosing classes of firearms.

Riverman lol at comparing Japan and America. Do you know Japanese Americans who can own guns commit less murder than Japanese in Japan? It's cultural/genetic the reason for low Japanese crime rates, not a ban on guns. Also look up the murder rates in Japanese/American prisons the last 50 years or so, according to your theory they should be about the same since neither have access to fire arms, right?

japanese have a genetic pre-disposition to non-violence?

really? care to expand upon that?

Correct. Owning something as powerful as a gun requires you to have it safe and secure at all times. My parents were both cops. They didn't come home from work and leave that **** on the kitchen table. Most of my friends own guns. I don't mind them. I mind how they are used and idolized in the country a little bit to the south that has 500x the deaths.

It's just so lazy of the gun nuts to assume everyone who wants some reasonable regulations hates guns and wants to come and get all of them. Just because people like Steven don't deserve guns because they avoid personal responsibility like the plague doesn't mean we think they're going to get taken away.

So you don't believe the children of violent criminals are more likely to be violent criminals themselves? How do explain Japanese Americans low violent crime rates?

yes, i do believe that. however, it does not make the point you are trying to make. that is nurture. there is no shortage of studies, regardless of whether the topic is violence, education, or whatever there are plenty of studies that bear the "nurture" theory out.

if you REALLY want to go the route of "the japanese are genetically pre-disposed to non-violence", i'd go read some history first if i was you.

It doesn't matter as far as this discussion goes. My point was the reason for low Japanese crime rates is not due to guns being banned

If banning AR-15s is a non-starter then Japan style is straight pie in the sky. Open carry and concealed carry is more bizarre and scary than legal assault rifles imo. Would make me paranoid knowing average people packing could get angry and shoot because of simple road rage.

Gun nut logic is a misnomer.

Did Japan ever have a gun culture similar to the current US gun culture ? Seems like a weak comparison if not.