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I was shooting guns much younger than 9, and was "gifted" my first gun at 4 (18 to own a gun in the US, 17 in Jamaica). There's nothing wrong with a child learning how to shoot, there is a lot wrong giving a child a select fire UZI without proper instruction and safety measures. This incident was pure negligence on the instructors part.

again, you have your opinions on the matter and i have mine.

08-27-2014 , 09:17 AM

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SenorKeeed

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Good lord nine year old kids should be shooting .22 rifles. What lunatic gives a nine year old girl an Uzi to shoot with?

08-27-2014 , 09:28 AM

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Cornboy

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Originally Posted by 33 Big Blinds

I was shooting guns much younger than 9, and was "gifted" my first gun at 4

And look at you now, afraid to leave your home without a weapon.

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Originally Posted by 33 Big Blinds

This incident was pure negligence on the instructors part.

And the parents. How do you not give them any blame for putting their child's safety in that man's hands?

08-27-2014 , 09:31 AM

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Westley

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Let me get this straight... You can legally buy and own an Uzi in the US at 18..

but can't have a beer until you're 21, or play a bit of 2nl online err ever...?

LOLmerica

08-27-2014 , 09:36 AM

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ligastar

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here is the video with audio and the instructor's comments / instructions (the video doesn't show the instructor being struck by the bullet(s))

08-27-2014 , 09:45 AM

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33 Big Blinds

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Originally Posted by Westley

Let me get this straight... You can legally buy and own an Uzi in the US at 18..

but can't have a beer until you're 21, or play a bit of 2nl online err ever...?

LOLmerica

Technically, an uzi isn't able to be purchased until you're 21 since it is a NFA registered item.

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here is the video with audio and the instructor's comments / instructions (the video doesn't show the instructor being struck by the bullet(s))

So. Much. Fail.

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Originally Posted by Cornboy

And the parents. How do you not give them any blame for putting their child's safety in that man's hands?

Looking at the extremely poor instruction given, I would say that he should've never been hired as a firearms instructor. So I'd place more blame on the business than the parents.

08-27-2014 , 09:51 AM

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Ummm.

Didn't they select the instructor? Shouldn't they have done their homework?

08-27-2014 , 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by 33 Big Blinds

Looking at the extremely poor instruction given, I would say that he should've never been hired as a firearms instructor. So I'd place more blame on the business than the parents.

So you do blame the parents for putting their child's safety at risk by placing her in his care? You do think they were being irresponsible? Because earlier you said they weren't.

08-27-2014 , 10:00 AM

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So you do blame the parents for putting their child's safety at risk by placing her in his care? You do think they were being irresponsible? Because earlier you said they weren't.

I'd say it is like 95%/5%/0%/0% Instructor/Business/Parents/Child

08-27-2014 , 10:01 AM

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master3004

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Lol. You're such a homer. Parents don't do any research or background, pick ****ty instructor, watch their child receive ****ty instruction, and do nothing.

Nope, no fault there

08-27-2014 , 10:06 AM

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SenorKeeed

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Originally Posted by master3004

Ummm.

Didn't they select the instructor? Shouldn't they have done their homework?

Oh the instructor was selected all right

08-27-2014 , 10:08 AM

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miajag

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Originally Posted by Cornboy

And look at you now, afraid to leave your home without a weapon.

never know who you're gonna run into on the mean streets of Sarasota

08-27-2014 , 10:55 AM

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33 Big Blinds

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never know who you're gonna run into on the mean streets of Sarasota

Well I do spend roughly 50% of my time on the road, so....

08-27-2014 , 10:58 AM

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Oh the instructor was selected all right

A+

08-27-2014 , 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ligastar

my personal view is that guns don't belong in the hands of children. i understand we have differing views.

Are you against a child owning a .22 rifle? If not, what age would you feel would be best?

EDIT: I would like anyone else who is interested to give their opinion as well.

Last edited by formula72; 08-27-2014 at 01:25 PM.

08-27-2014 , 02:19 PM

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I think allowing your 9yr old child to fire a powerful weapon, 'professionally' supervised or not, is massively irresponsible.

Same as getting your nine yr old to take axe juggling lessons and then blaming the tutor when they lose a limb.

The fact the instructor was willing to even entertain the fact a little girl being anywhere near that sort of gun should have been a big red flag in itself!

Unbelievable. Not only is she going to probably be mentally scared for life, as well as always being 'that girl', but she clearly has ****ing idiots for parents to top it off.

08-27-2014 , 03:10 PM

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superleeds

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Obviously this is a tragic accident but **** me, you gun lovers still think it's OK to put guns into childrens hands?

08-27-2014 , 03:26 PM

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Just out of curiosity does anyone know what other countries there are where it is legal to put a gun in a 9 year olds hands for profit?

08-27-2014 , 04:19 PM

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33 Big Blinds

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Originally Posted by superleeds

Obviously this is a tragic accident but **** me, you gun lovers still think it's OK to put guns into childrens hands?

She's 14 in this video and makes a pretty damn good living shooting professionally now.

08-27-2014 , 04:38 PM

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Oh the instructor was selected all right

lol A+++ post.

Feel awful for the girl. Not her fault at all but this **** is gonna be weighing on her for the rest of her life, all because of ******ed parents and ******ed gun culture.

08-27-2014 , 04:40 PM

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Technically, an uzi isn't able to be purchased until you're 21 since it is a NFA registered item.

I stand corrected, kinda. NFA items are allowed at 18, but they must be manufactured not transferred through an FFL. So as long as you legally own a rifle or shotgun at 18, you can file an ATF Form 1 to make it a SBR or SBS. A machine gun is not legally transferable until you are 21.

08-27-2014 , 04:45 PM

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Westley

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Lol, no wonder you need a gun to feel safe

08-27-2014 , 04:51 PM

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Westley

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Originally Posted by formula72

Are you against a child owning a .22 rifle? If not, what age would you feel would be best?

EDIT: I would like anyone else who is interested to give their opinion as well.

I don't know enough about guns to offer much of an informed technical opinion..

But I feel any gun with the ability to pierce human skin, should not be allowed to be owned until 18.

fwiw I don't think any gun that isn't specifically for recreational shooting should be allowed to be owned by members of the public.

08-27-2014 , 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by superleeds

Obviously this is a tragic accident but **** me, you gun lovers still think it's OK to put guns into childrens hands?

And:

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Tori Nonaka is one of three members of Team GLOCK and a shooting champion. She hails from Woodbridge, Virginia, where she began shooting at age 3. At age 12, Tori attended the US Shooting Academy, which sparked her interest in becoming a professional shooter which led her to begin shooting competitively. On March 2, 2011, GLOCK, Inc announced that 15 year old Tori would be a member of Team GLOCK Shooting Squad

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