The proposed "solution" isn't something that would eliminate 100% of these things.

It's like having speed limits - we have them to limit crashes. We don't expect them to eliminate them.

The same thing can be extended here: Any suggested limitations to gun rights would not eliminate mass killings. Everyone knows this. We all agree on it. Crazy people will find ways to kill people. The question is whether or not it will limit them.

So let's just all agree: No matter what rules we come up with, SOME mass killings will still occur. Everyone good with that? We're all in agreement. So let's not pretend like the "other side" thinks otherwise. All that does is bring the discussion somewhere dumb.

Did you read that the guy was 20 years old? What are your proposals to keep a gun out of his hands, assuming this is true?

Yep, clearly we can't conclude anything from observations we make, no matter what.

"Correlation doesn't imply causation" is always the last resort of a fact denier. Technically one can deny all of science with it because science is all correlation. But don't tell the Creationists that.

Please don't lump us all in here. Those of us who grew up around responsible adults were taught the difference between right and wrong and that things that kill people are bad.

I would still like you to point out where pro-gun folks argue for the criminally insane being armed.

Yeah, and then some of us were taught that killing people is bad.

So the 9/11 terrorists were rational human beings? What about the Columbine shooters? Adolf Hitler? I'm assuming his interests were different from yours. Please clarify if that is not the case.

argg evil cars!!

evil water too!!! (people drown)

things that kill people are bad

I don't mean to insult people like you, of course.

But sometimes you have to call out an entire nation before anyone is willing to take a stand and make a difference.

I think we have to wait until we find out how he got the gun.

Sure because those things clearly were expressly made to kill other people.

but wait, electricity could kill me, but it also provides power for my computer and cellphone telephone

I'm so conflicted about liking something that could kill me!

and animals, for food, so that people can eat, to live

Google is solving the car problem. Locking up drunk drivers would solve a lot of car related deaths.

Water brings life, so the pros outweigh the cons (drowning is for losers anyway).

Why? The bodies of however many children weren't even cold before we started rounding the wagons to disarm America.

There's no other way to kill animals than with guns.

Ok, so now we have to eradicate guns from the entire world?

Lol guns

Lol thread title

Lol NRA

i get it, there was a tragedy, we're all a bit shaken

but you're kind of flying off the handle here

School systems need more funding.

Teachers need to look more closely at their students.

Children with anti-social tendencies need to be separated from their peers and undergo reconditioning. If done right, this should solve a lot of senseless crime.

The bodies from Aurora are barely cold. And the gun tragedy no one paid attention to last week. And the one before that.

There's always going to be warm bodies, at this rate. Don't worry though, you can go hunt some pheasant this weekend that is essential to your survival.

you mean like crossbows?

I'M A VEGETARIAN!

Also, I strongly doubt the political right wants to have a real conversation about how we deal with mental illness in this country.

There's a difference between:
1) Discussing the best ways to prevent mass crimes as a whole.
2) Discussing the best way to prevent a specific mass crime.

I think most of the posts (not all!) here have been related to #1. Anything specific to this crime (#2), we'd probably have to wait until we actually know what happened.

i'm not saying you're wrong on the last part, but something like that, yeah, not a horrible idea. some way of figuring out who the crazies are, not a bad idea. some way of addressing the underlying problems instead of the symptoms, kinda makes sense.