LOL NO

From every perspective, utility, freedom, economic, or otherwise. Your position is wrong. The economic damage alone of what your talking about would be catastrophic.

IT's pretty sad that you'd rather just make no attempt and be complacent with all your guns rather than throw out ideas for gun control. I guess all the people dying don't matter to you.

Chicago?

How's that crystal ball treating you? Dude, what I would like to implement has never been implemented in the history of the united states. Not even close. So, how is it that you have any clue what so ever exactly what the implications would be? Especially since absolutely no one, including myself, have any clue how this would go about being implemented.

That high horse of yours needs to be gotten off of.

Love the extraordinarily careful choice of words here.

Guess the entire world must only be a hair over 200 years old then, eh?

Are you saying you would like to try to compare implementing a "no gun" policy in the United States to trying to do the same in a different country over 200 hundred years ago? You think that comparison is going to work out well for you?

I am not a historian, but I would bet that in the entire history of the world there have been countries that tried to control the most modern weaponry of the time, and I don't think any Utopias sprouted from them. I'm sure you could probably even find modern countries with populations equivalent to various states in the US for valid comparisons.

More to the point that you always ignore, what happens when all the law abiding citizens are unarmed and the criminals refused to give up their weapons? Or do you think that people who have no problem breaking *other* laws would magically care about not breaking a law about owning a gun?

Again, I'm arguing ideals here. My ideal is that only the police and military would own guns. Will that ever happen? Almost certainly the answer is no. AGAIN, I don't have a plan. I have no answer to your questions about a plan. And I think it's highly unlikely that any plan would even work.

That does not change my ideal.

I understand that silly things like "how reality woks" might not affect your ideals. I think everyone gets that, after all your posts on this forum.

The thing that bothers most, imo, is your inability to admit that your ideals could and would have many unintended consequences.

So, just for a moment, pretend you got your way, and that somehow violent crime increased. How would you feel about your ideals *if* that happened, if all guns were removed from the hands of responsible gun owners?

Note that I'm not saying that will absolutely happen 100% of the time, but just for the sake of arguing, imagine that is te unintended consequence that happens.

I would love for there to never be any death from anything. But the facts are that "all the deaths" and a statistical non event. An non event that is completely and utterly wafflecrushed by the utility alone of guns.

AGAIN... what sort of ideas do you think would help? I am open to discussion, it is possible that you have some ideas that are interesting. Or at the least I can help you work through your mistakes.

your pony's total lack of understand of economics, logic, reality, and humanity needs to get a clue.

+∞

Seriously? Obviously if I felt as though that taking guns away from everyone but the police and military would increase violent crime, I wouldn't do it. Why would you ever ask such a silly question?

Again, I realize my plan is likely impossible but again, that still doesn't change what I think is the ideal situation.

LDO

Then its time to give up your position.

i think it's something more like this:



or perhaps this:



or even this

Lol, and anti-gun folks think gun deaths = murder rate. Why don't you guys spend your time and energy working on **** that actually has an effect on violent crime rates?

-We have an education system that is seemingly incapable of adapting to a rapidly changing economy. Not that our education system has ever been good for the poor, but it seems to be getting worse.

-We have a large concentration of poverty in our inner cities, and vast swaths of poor rural areas that have been virtually forgotten.

-We have a middle and upper class that really doesn't give a damn what's happening in the cities and out in the sticks as long as poverty, violence, and drugs doesn't intrude on their little suburban enclaves.

-and we have a huge black market in drugs that is a major driving force behind many of the problems stated above.

but those issues are difficult to solve. Trying to fix those issues piss off the donors to both parties, they scare the middle class who is perfectly satisfied with the status quo. Who cares if millions of poor families are ripped apart due to the drug war. Suburbia is doing reasonably well after all.

So rather than take major steps to help the above root causes, you anti-gun loons would rather attack a mere symptom to the real problems. Guns get headlines, guns scare people, guns are easy to demonize. To hell with the real issues behind systemic violence, you have your imaginary villains to go after.

good post wil...

I think if we could get a substantial amount of people off drugs I think 95% of society's problems would go away. It's the crazy the amount of damage painkillers did here in FL. And I had a stint of homelessness in the city of Tampa. There was a number of people I encountered that had a crack problem, who would have otherwise been functional people.

And what makes this all worse imo is the younger culture that promotes all of this stuff. Rap puts out these millionaires who endorse either selling cocaine, taking pain killers/codeine, partying, and are lacking a regard for remedying any of these problems.

Selling cocaine is not cool. It ruins live and families. It's also a trap for these guys, because once you get caught selling, and have it on your record, there's not many places you are going to be able to go to make money legally.

anyway, /WAAF rant

+1

http://wonkette.com/491775/nra-despi...sandra-perkins

Wonkette has a pretty good article how this thread is pretty par for the course when it comes to gun nuts, prominent gun violence, and paranoia.

LOL no

Also, those posts about how gun control isn't the issue, about how we should be focused on ending the root cause of crime?

Yeah, welcome to the Democratic party, 1994-present day, which does not advocate for gun control. I expect you all to vote for Hillary in 2016!

NeBlis keeps on making very substantial posts.

lol see?

LOL no