Here is a deal, we will take you seriously when you find any data that a significant percent of teachers even own guns let alone want to carry them at work.

Sure. Given enough time and enough teachers packing heat, yes, it's inevitable.

okay. i don't disagree. like the vast majority of gun owners, i don't own guns so i can fight criminals. i own them for practical and entertainment uses. mostly hunting. that many people in this thread think those uses don't matter offends me.

that said, if someone wants to keep a gun in his/her own house for self-defense, i don't think it's my right to put him/her in jail for it, regardless of whether i think it's a good idea.

okay, i mean if you give it 20,000 years or whatever, fine. if they have a pool, i bet 10 kids drown before one is accidentally shot by a teacher.

Yeah, Adam Lanza was an experienced shooter by all accounts. For example.

You know how you wrote "criminals have guns" - that is the problem and it isnt being solved by the free for all in America right now where everyone criminal or not can get a gun if they are willing to wait a short amount of time and fill out the right paperwork the right way, or just give the right wink and nod to the right guy at a gun show out the back of the gun store.

+ 1000

I bet a kid is shot by a teacher before an armed teacher stops a psychopath.

By state it's impossible to say considering you can't conceal carry in some states. It's probably different here in suburbs of Michigan.

Answer would be both. If you wanted to shoot up a school would you go into a school where you know no one is allowed to carry a gun and its a virtual lock to have zero opposition there or would you go to the school that allows teachers to carry and 1-8 teachers could have a gun.

Concealed carry has pretty much a zero risk of accidents. You could provide training for these teachers as well. I know firearm training companies here in Michigan that are willing to train teachers for a massive discount but its irrelevant because they're not allowed to carry either way. Basically the gun would be holstered the entire time and has no chance of going off while holstered. The gun would be kept concealed on the person in a holster, not just chilling in the desk.

Again this is not a one all solution but I believe could be a part of the solution along with a number of other things and could save and could have saved a lot of lives.

Obviously in regards to the citation it's not guaranteed but if teachers were allowed to carry and someone was carrying its very likely they would have stopped him. He is shooting and would not be able to hear a thing and would be relatively easy to catch him by surprise. If teachers were brave enough to take him on with out any weapon they surely they'd be brave enough to engage him of they had a gun.

You should try reading the thread.

To my knowledge, the only ones on the pro-gun side who are for arming teachers is tsao, and apparently hendricks, though I dunno what's going on there, I just woke up.

You say that like they're just going to hand a gun to each teacher like a stapler to put in their desk.

it's quite possible. the chances of both are virtually zero.

obviously the "arm teachers" idea is mostly just about feeling like you're doing something, rather than actually doing something.

http://www.bradycenter.org/xshare/pd...s-misdeeds.pdf

I have no reason to expect that the average teacher would be more responsible than the average gun owner.

This is like the third time ITT gun fetishists have rolled out this beaut, that their weirdo friends on creepy tactical/prepper forums are better than LEOs. This isn't based on like, actual crimes solved or mass murderers put down. But trust them. They think about shooting A LOT.

Man, in the past few years nutjobs with guns have murdered dozens of innocent Americans trying to see a movie, do some shopping, or learn arithmetic.

The crowning achievement of the Concealed Carry vigilante movement over that time period appears to be murdering Trayvon Martin.

Thanks, Heroes.

Not sure if this is old news, not sure if this is a legitimate source, but if so I can only assume this means she was a huge fan of the tea party? And people called us paranoid for saying the Tea Party is brewing dangerous people

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/ne...-16251468.html

Found the article I was thinking of about how our mental health system is broken:

Soccer mom who blames mental illness, not the guns

http://anarchistsoccermom.blogspot.c...thinkable.html

I'm only addressing one part of the solution. I think allowing the teachers to be armed is a part of the solution but not the entire solution. I'm not advocating school districts buying 20 glocks per school and handing them out.

Other issues are mental health and evil, guns are too easy to get, people are not informed about gun safety and storage, people then don't pass that to kids, parental neglect of children, selfish society with a "all about me" attitude. Arming teachers or banning guns outright is not solving this problem IMO.

Long thread, but it's officially Sarah Palin's fault.

Lock it up.

lol

That was not a comment about concealed carry in general or handling firearms in general. If a teacher walks into a school concealed carrying a gun and works and goes home there is a zero chance the gun is going off because it will never leave the holster.

From the AP

I'm only familiar with bird hunting, someone more familiar with ammo: these were likely hollow points?

Given the fairly high percentage of cops killed with their own guns if the gun nuts got their way and magically all the teachers were your average gun carriers within a year a kid will cold clock one of them and shoot them dead and/or a bunch of other people in the school before a second or third teacher finally gets to live out their dreams and shoot the kid in self defence.

You know that thing where these same people are like "America has a spending problem" and their solution is everything but spending more - why do guns not work the same way?

In other words, in a perfect world, everything will be perfect.

Awesome.

nothing to see here
arm the teachers
???

Is there any other gun related change that you guys are pushing for that I'm missing? NRA is burying their head in the sand, waiting for this to pass. I really do think that something reasonable could be done with guns but the only chance for success is if it comes from gun owners, who seem unwilling to entertain any solution except handing out more guns.

She probably encouraged him to listen regularly with her to the psychosis inducing right wing talk radio like beck or savage.


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