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"The United States has by far the highest per capita rate of all developed countries. According to data compiled by the United Nations, the United States has four times as many gun-related homicides per capita as do Turkey and Switzerland, which are tied for third. The US gun murder rate is about 20 times the average for all other countries on this chart. That means that Americans are 20 times as likely to be killed by a gun than is someone from another developed country."

How many more gang members and drug traffickers do we have per capita than those countries?

12-18-2012 , 08:32 PM

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rjoefish

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I like the opening line of that wiki:

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This is an incomplete list, which may never be able to satisfy particular standards for completeness.

12-18-2012 , 08:32 PM

#3678

Schwatt

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Originally Posted by dinopoker

Dude, I hate to break it to you, but if you're planning on selling weapons or accessories that will be illegal after some upcoming legislation then you are by definition an irresponsible gun owner. As such the ATF is entirely warranted to stomp on you with both jackboots.

During the last ban, pre-ban configured weapons and full capacity magazines manufactured before 1994 were allowed to be sold and transferred. The market was huge, and many people got filthy rich.

Are you against capitalism too?

12-18-2012 , 08:33 PM

#3679

rjoefish

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But not as much as I like DBLs hilarious routine of 'I know the most about guns, I win!!!!' and 'We shouldn't ban high capacity magazines because I could kill a lot of people with a bolt action, so they're not needed, but they're needed, but I won't tell you why they're needed'.

12-18-2012 , 08:36 PM

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MrWookie

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Schwatt

How many more gang members and drug traffickers do we have per capita than those countries?

Ah yes. Blame the blacks and the Mexicans.

12-18-2012 , 08:38 PM

#3681

Schwatt

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Originally Posted by MrWookie

Ah yes. Blame the blacks and the Mexicans.

Are you being funny, or arguing the point that those two groups don't account for a massive percentage of homicides involving firearms in the USA?

12-18-2012 , 08:40 PM

#3682

rjoefish

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Well, whites account for more than Mexicans.

but I like how you instinctively went with his thought about them being the entire make up of gangs/drug traffickers

12-18-2012 , 08:48 PM

#3683

Schwatt

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rjoefish

Well, whites account for more than Mexicans.

but I like how you instinctively went with his thought about them being the entire make up of gangs/drug traffickers

Uh, by two groups I obviously meant gangs and drug traffickers.

But thanks for putting words in my mouth.

12-18-2012 , 08:51 PM

#3684

airwave16

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because "gangs and drug traffickers" isn't shorthand for "dem negroid fellers."

Last edited by airwave16; 12-18-2012 at 08:56 PM. Reason: and mexicans.

12-18-2012 , 08:53 PM

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Schwatt

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Originally Posted by archimedes11

Also, this is cherry picking data. Who cares if the homicides are gun related or not? All homicides are bad.

This list shows we are higher than most other developed countries, but not by an absurd amount. Russia 2.5 times the US murder rate, wow.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._homicide_rate

12-18-2012 , 08:54 PM

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Paul D

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LOL code words itt now.

12-18-2012 , 08:54 PM

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I gotta admit as far as concealed carry is concerned, it's kinda empowering to think that if you get into a fight with someone bigger, and tougher than you are, you always have that trump card holstered on you in case you decide you really don't want to lose the fight (or obv if the guy you're fighting decides that he doesn't just want to beat you up, but wants to kill you.) But I bet some people shoot not because their life is threatened, but because they want to save face.

12-18-2012 , 08:56 PM

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FlyWf

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Schwatt

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rampage_killers

If you look at these lists thoroughly, the USA doesn't seem to have a disproportionate number of incidents, considering how much larger the population is.

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Not included are school massacres, workplace killings, hate crimes or familicides, which form their own categories.

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12-18-2012 , 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by MrWookie

Ah yes. Blame the blacks and the Mexicans.

Honkey, please. White people are the best at mass school shootings.

12-18-2012 , 08:57 PM

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The reason prohibition of a subset of guns can work better than prohibition of drugs/alcohol/prostitution etc, is that as hard as it might be for a dude like DBJ to imagine, there are a ****load more people who are desperate to get high or get laid that there are people who are desperate to get their hands on a weapon with a 30 round magazine rather than 10-round. That makes selling them on the black market a lot less profitable and not worthwhile given the criminal penalties faced if caught. Not to mention that they're a lot more bulky and unwieldy than drugs and hence hard to smuggle.

12-18-2012 , 08:58 PM

#3691

GermanGuy

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Oroku$aki

I gotta admit as far as concealed carry is concerned, it's kinda empowering to think that if you get into a fight with someone bigger, and tougher than you are, you always have that trump card holstered on you in case you decide you really don't want to lose the fight (or obv if the guy you're fighting decides that he doesn't just want to beat you up, but wants to kill you.) But I bet some people shoot not because their life is threatened, but because they want to save face.

Some people, heh? You don't say...

12-18-2012 , 08:58 PM

#3692

FlyWf

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Originally Posted by Oroku$aki

Sometimes they shoot because the other guy has Skittles. Taste the rainbow!

12-18-2012 , 08:59 PM

#3693

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outlawing something does not make it go away. Drugs are illegal but their supply is never in doubt thanks to the black market. outlawing guns will only remove them from good citizens. The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.

12-18-2012 , 09:00 PM

#3694

Schwatt

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Schwatt

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rampage_killers

If you look at these lists thoroughly, the USA doesn't seem to have a disproportionate number of incidents, considering how much larger the population is.

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlyWf

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Lists is plural for a reason, I was including all the subsets. There are links in the wiki to each one.

Edit: nevermind they are all on the first page too. Are you just skimming the first 2 paragraphs of my links trying to play gotcha or what? Reading, its hard.

Last edited by Schwatt; 12-18-2012 at 09:05 PM.

12-18-2012 , 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by rjoefish

NRA is silent because they've already succeeded in cashing in on the tragedy. Their entire goal is to sell guns and ammo so their leaders (the ones with ties to, and interests in, those companies) can pad their bank accounts.

I'm sure they're all huddled together in a country club somewhere smoking cigars and toasting eachother for a job well done.

12-18-2012 , 09:04 PM

#3696

ChrisV

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Originally Posted by aiminglow

Bah, FU. My entire country just disappeared in a puff of logic.

12-18-2012 , 09:04 PM

#3697

skinner3

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Quote:

Originally Posted by aiminglow

The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.

The bad guys have the surprise factor on there side, so no matter how many good guys we arm, there will always be more victims than bad guys stopped.

12-18-2012 , 09:04 PM

#3698

MrWookie

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Originally Posted by zzzed

It's hardly tinfoil when the NRA's first statement on the matter includes "Please don't change things for the poor gun manufacturers."

12-18-2012 , 09:07 PM

#3699

FlyWf

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Wait, wait wait. zzzed is using that?

So when it comes to Susan Rice "lying" about Benghazi you're all "yep, that makes sense, conspiracy identified" but rjoe accusing the gun lobby of doing something THEY DEFINITELY DO(stoking fears of gun bans, civil unrest, etc.) you break out the tin foil hat?

12-18-2012 , 09:08 PM

#3700

FlyWf

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Stoking paranoia about looters and/or the UN isn't not something that the NRA is alleged to do, it is something the NRA definitely does. And their motivation? They get paid, BY GUN MANUFACTURERS, to represent gun manufacturer interests.

Where is the tin foil?

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