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12-17-2012 , 12:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
Talk radio tonight was golden. It was the Tsao's give teachers guns but far more extreme than even I think he could imagine. Teachers are the most trustworthy people ever. Every teacher should be allowed to carry, with appropriate training, up to semi automatic weapons openly on campus. Signs saying " Faculty is heavily armed and any attempt to harm children will be met with heavy resistance and deadly force" should be posted within 100 feet of campus.

9/11 happened because people weren't carrying guns on board, if only airplane passengers could carry weapons then we'd all be safe and the TSA would only need to screen for bombs.

China and Japan suffered their mass attacks because they weren't armed either. We are headed towards a future where criminals with guns will rule our lives as we helplessly watch because the government won't help.

That was the first 30 minutes.

*Sigh*
And therein lies the problem you Americans face.....a sizeable chunk of your population is brain dead and actually believes that crap. God help the USA
12-17-2012 , 12:09 AM
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Originally Posted by <"))))><
And therein lies the problem you Americans face.....a sizeable chunk of your population is brain dead and actually believes that crap. God help the USA
Why does everyone keep calling tsao fat?!?
12-17-2012 , 12:14 AM
well.

i'm down to 210 now though 20 more to go imo.
12-17-2012 , 12:16 AM
wow u fat

I mean I always assumed you're like 5'6"
12-17-2012 , 12:16 AM
I thought I'd seen a pic or vid of you playing guitar, didn't think you coulda been over 150
12-17-2012 , 12:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Low Key
Any word on the Westboro Baptist Church and their plans to protest the funerals of the victims?
AFAIC these people would be the one and only reason I would support a pro-gun lobby
12-17-2012 , 12:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Low Key
Why does everyone keep calling tsao fat?!?
12-17-2012 , 12:37 AM
Is this thread going to have record # of temp bans?
12-17-2012 , 12:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul D
Is this thread going to have record # of temp bans?
For a 3 day span, it's easily the most I've ever banned in my time as a mod.
12-17-2012 , 12:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Riverman
Paging Neblis for his thoughts on the shooter in fact using an assault weapon and shooting himself only upon law enforcement arriving on the scene, meaning that a meaningful assault weapons ban would in fact have saved the lives of six year olds.
Here is a Bushmaster .223 that would not have fell under the Assault Weapons Ban that ended in 04. Therefore he didn't use an assault weapon. It is not currently an assault weapon even in CA and they have their own very strict state level AWB.




Here is another that isn't covered under an AWB




If you did make those illegal even the ones pictured. This is the alternative that is, at it's heart, the exact same rifle. And hostorically one of the most used hunting rifles. In fact it's called a Ranch Rifle.


12-17-2012 , 12:54 AM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
For a 3 day span, it's easily the most I've ever banned in my time as a mod.
Tragedy strikes and as a country we unite.
12-17-2012 , 01:16 AM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
For a 3 day span, it's easily the most I've ever banned in my time as a mod.
Makes sense. My jimmies were pretty damned rustled. I'm surprised I did not engage in some curse laden diatribes here or on FB.
12-17-2012 , 01:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Riverman
I suppose he didn't want to be super-political in that place at this time. Fine as far as it goes, but if he doesn't actually do anything or use the bully pulpit to propose specific changes I will be pissed. Particularly since he's never running for anything ever again.
If I had to guess I would say that Obama is going to push more healthcare with this. He just does not have the political capital to do anything with the gun issue. Hard to imagine any president would.

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Originally Posted by Riverman
Also am amused by the right wingers all of a sudden wanting to arm teachers, who a month ago were the scum of the earth.

Cognitive dissonance, how does it work.
Look, dude, the ability to take down a heavily armed gun nut roaming a public place is a civil duty not a job skill. Teachers/movie theater attendants/mall santas/flight attendants/doctors/and anyone else who works in a public place needs to know that they don't deserve to get paid more for said skill. It's just the way the world works and we have to learn to deal with it and never try and do anything about it.
12-17-2012 , 01:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Case Closed
If I had to guess I would say that Obama is going to push more healthcare with this. He just does not have the political capital to do anything with the gun issue. Hard to imagine any president would.
Some gun writers are scared that Obama will just regulate semi-autos into the NFA (the law that heavily regulates machine guns), instead of having the assault weapons ban become a huge debating point.
12-17-2012 , 01:28 AM
So, this has been published:

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Nancy Lanza, whose gun collection was raided by her son Adam for Friday’s massacre at Sandy Hook school, was part of the “prepper” movement, which urges readiness for social chaos by hoarding supplies and training with weapons.

“She prepared for the worst,” her sister-in-law Marsha Lanza told reporters. “Last time we visited her in person, we talked about prepping – are you ready for what could happen down the line, when the economy collapses?”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-disaster.html
12-17-2012 , 01:35 AM
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Originally Posted by gusmahler
Some gun writers are scared that Obama will just regulate semi-autos into the NFA (the law that heavily regulates machine guns), instead of having the assault weapons ban become a huge debating point.
How is that legal?

An executive order that modifies a law passed by congress, changing it permanently? wat
12-17-2012 , 01:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Schwatt
How is that legal?

An executive order that modifies a law passed by congress, changing it permanently? wat
The writers who've said this are basically saying, "Obama is trying to regulate the coal industry out of existence. He's going to do the same to the gun industry." I really have no idea if either part of that statement is true.
12-17-2012 , 01:39 AM
Gun writers are just in on the NRA scam of getting folks worked up about Obama coming for their guns!11111!! so they can sell more guns and ammo than they normally would. Duh.
12-17-2012 , 01:40 AM
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Originally Posted by zikzak
Sometimes the treatment is worse than the disease.

Was impressed by Obama's speech tonight on the level of oratory. Having him come after Bush makes me even more ashamed that Bush was elected president. BTW, apparently Bush "supported" renewing the assault weapons ban.

"Despite those concerns, the White House says Mr. Bush supports the extension of the current law -- a position that has put him in opposition to the N.R.A. and left many gun owners angry and dumbfounded.

''This is a president who has been so good on the Second Amendment that it's just unbelievable to gun owners that he would really sign the ban,'' said Grover G. Norquist, a leading conservative and an N.R.A. board member who opposes the weapons ban. ''I don't think it's sunk in for a lot of people yet.''"

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/08/us...t-weapons.html

Last edited by simplicitus; 12-17-2012 at 01:47 AM. Reason: added article quote; eat a dick Grover
12-17-2012 , 01:49 AM
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Originally Posted by gusmahler
The writers who've said this are basically saying, "Obama is trying to regulate the coal industry out of existence. He's going to do the same to the gun industry." I really have no idea if either part of that statement is true.
If the EO gun grab comes to fruition, the anti-christ/hitler II crowd will have a huge influx of believers IMO.

That almost sounds like the beginning to an apocalyptic novel ffs. Scary stuff.
12-17-2012 , 01:54 AM
The two important parts of a gun are the barrel and the receiver.

3d printers can produce working lower receivers fairly easily, and even using current technology some quick googling turns up threads like this, where people are talking about (shoddy) upper receivers as well.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/5...it_works_.html

I expect that the time is fast coming where just about anyone will be able to print out a decent quality assault rifle receiver. A decent barrel is probably further away.

What to people think about this? What would it take from a technology standpoint in 3d printing to subvert the effectiveness of gun control with respect to mass shootings?

Maybe 3d printers won't be useful enough to proliferate widely, to the extent that potential shooters have the opportunity to use them without oversight. I'm not really sure.
12-17-2012 , 01:59 AM
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Originally Posted by spiral
The two important parts of a gun are the barrel and the receiver.

3d printers can produce working lower receivers fairly easily, and even using current technology some quick googling turns up threads like this, where people are talking about (shoddy) upper receivers as well.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/5...it_works_.html

I expect that the time is fast coming where just about anyone will be able to print out a decent quality assault rifle receiver. A decent barrel is probably further away.

What to people think about this? What would it take from a technology standpoint in 3d printing to subvert the effectiveness of gun control with respect to mass shootings?

Maybe 3d printers won't be useful enough to proliferate widely, to the extent that potential shooters have the opportunity to use them without oversight. I'm not really sure.
You can mill out an 80% metal receiver which is considered a paperweight until it is finished. All you need is a mill or drill press and a jig that tells you the size and position of the holes. 3d lowers still seem like they might be weak, since people seem to avoid the current polymer lowers.
12-17-2012 , 02:02 AM
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Originally Posted by gusmahler
The writers who've said this are basically saying, "Obama is trying to regulate the coal industry out of existence. He's going to do the same to the gun industry." I really have no idea if either part of that statement is true.
Were these the same writers that told you Switzerland had a higher gun ownership rate than the United States?

What would it possibly take for them to lose credibility in your eyes?
12-17-2012 , 02:11 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
Were these the same writers that told you Switzerland had a higher gun ownership rate than the United States?

What would it possibly take for them to lose credibility in your eyes?
The gun ownership comment in Switzerland was from a graph posted ITT.

As I said, I have no idea if it's even possible for Obama to do that. The fact that it came from some random writer on the internet makes me doubt it.
12-17-2012 , 02:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Schwatt
I am not convinced that homicides by legally acquired firearm have increased much at all in the last 50 years.

I can't find any stats, but common sense guestimate is 90-95%+ of all firearm homicides are committed with illegally acquired firearms.
JUST COMMON SENSE EVERYBODY

      
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