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A big issue is that gun shop owners and manufacturers love mass shootings because they're great for business:

http://www.theweek.co.uk/88783/why-g...mass-shootings

02-16-2018 , 01:20 AM

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that_pope

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Not having guns is clearly better than having guns.

02-16-2018 , 01:21 AM

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02-16-2018 , 01:45 AM

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David Sklansky

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Originally Posted by David Sklansky

Aside from the obvious exceptions how could a non moron not be for that?

But never lose sight of the fact that the main reason is not mass shootings but rather accidents, suicides, and temper tantrums.

02-16-2018 , 03:37 AM

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LostOstrich

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Originally Posted by David Sklansky

Aside from the obvious exceptions how could a non moron not be for that?

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Originally Posted by Mason Malmuth

The best solution is for posters like yourself to think about what you're actually posting when your post is directed at someone else, and a good example is this post of yours. Then voluntarily tone it down. You''ll often be surprised, not only will the exact same point be made, but it's my experience that you'll often be able to make it better.

Mason

02-16-2018 , 03:43 AM

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David Sklansky

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I was directing my post at the generic pro 2nd Amendment person. Also my use of the word moron was not actually meant to be a hyperbolic insult but rather to portray the literal idea that pro gun people were not thinking correctly.

02-16-2018 , 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

Republicans are really playing with fire with this no comporimise stance. A lot of guys like me might be okay with some kind of middle-of-the-road approach to gun control, but if you guys are going to make it all or nothing, I guess write me down for repealing the second amendment and taking all your toys away. Wasn't my first choice, but you give me no option.

So far the 2nd amendment has been a hard backstop, but with 80% of people wanting gun control and a looming blue wave in Congress, maybe it's time to consider at least banning bump stocks or offering up some kind of third way.

FWIW below quoted partial post is why there really is no middle ground in my view. Without confiscation it would be too easy for someone to get their hands on a gun. It is hard for me to believe that someone like Paddock or Cruz would be deterred because guns were illegal.

So are you comfy with putting the TRUMP administration in charge of confiscation?

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Well there are approximately 303 million guns in America (101 guns per 100 people). ....

02-16-2018 , 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by David Sklansky

Aside from the obvious exceptions how could a non moron not be for that?

Hypothetically, say the 2nd Amendment was repealed. How should the procrss of confiscation work exactly?

02-16-2018 , 07:19 AM

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When a cop sees a gun, throw it in his trunk. Cops seize hundreds of thousands of guns, it's not hard

02-16-2018 , 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by adios

This argument is so disingenuous. "don't even bother trying because someone could still get an illegal gun"

02-16-2018 , 07:25 AM

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This argument is so disingenuous. "don't even bother trying because someone could still get an illegal gun"

Where did I say don't bother? There are logistical and probably legal issues/hurdles with confiscation whether you like it or not. One of the logistical issues is how the government actually administers a policy.

02-16-2018 , 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by iron81

When a cop sees a gun, throw it in his trunk. Cops seize hundreds of thousands of guns, it's not hard

You are dreaming in my view if you think that is enough. Glad you feel comfy with A TRUMP administration administering a confiscation program.

02-16-2018 , 07:30 AM

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Rex Ingram

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Originally Posted by iron81

When a cop sees a gun, throw it in his trunk. Cops seize hundreds of thousands of guns, it's not hard

That might be a little more complicated than it sounds

02-16-2018 , 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by adios

"confiscation would be hard so don't bother banning anything"

Hint: you don't be to go all the way to confiscation to start making a difference

02-16-2018 , 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by adios

Countries that tighten laws on things like guns and knives don't usually confiscate*, they have amnesties or buy backs. Not only does your argument completely miss the point - prohibition of sale would make it harder to get a gun, and making it harder would reduce gun deaths - it is arguing against something very few advocate or do.

* That is they don't have a new programme to seek out and take against the wishes of the owners, they do confiscate incidentally but that happens for illegal guns now.

02-16-2018 , 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by adios

Hypothetically, say the 2nd Amendment was repealed. How should the procrss of confiscation work exactly?

If only there were cases from other countries one could lean against for such an exercise...

02-16-2018 , 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl

Don't we do this every time there's a shooting? The resident reactionary brings up the second amendment means gee golly there's nothing that can be done, but also asks who's in favor of full confiscation. This gets spun into being shocked and scandalized at the imagined jack booted future where liberals in helicopters fly in and take peoples' guns without regard to life and liberty. *cue liberal stormtroopers*. Then the realization comes that it turns out that doing anything but keeping the status quo means a bleak future where freedom has been abolished so in reality its the people who want to do something about guns who are the real monsters.

Bump for spotting the easiest play

02-16-2018 , 07:45 AM

#25319

tomdemaine

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Quote:

Originally Posted by adios

Hypothetically, say the 2nd Amendment was repealed. How should the procrss of confiscation work exactly?

I think Obama personally goes door to door grabbing every gun he can get his hands on.

02-16-2018 , 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by champstark

Of course they are saying it's "hunting."

You think 83% of those ages 65 and older and 73% of gun owners ages 50-64 actually hunt?

That's a goal post shift. We were talking about baby boomers and the reason they owned gun. Some of that percent still own guns from when they used to hunt and some still do hunt, what percent break down who knows.

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Originally Posted by champstark

The real reason is they fear black people and Mexicans, but they aren't gonna say that to a pollster.

Your just making stuff up here, are there a percent of people that own guns racist, sure but it's no higher than the rest of the population.

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Originally Posted by champstark

BTW ain't nobody going hunting with a handgun or AR-15, which are the real problems. So who cares.

Again this shows a lack of knowledge on your part. There are people that do hunt with handguns what percent, it would be a guess on my part but to say it's zero is factually wrong.

The link below shows the number of hunting permits sold in US last year.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...its-in-the-us/

02-16-2018 , 08:16 AM

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Talk about missing the point

02-16-2018 , 08:37 AM

#25322

biggerboat

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Maybe there is and I just don't know about it, but why isn't there some organization to take on the NRA? Like MADD or something. And why can't they raise just as much money to contribute to politicians? Seems like enough people would support it.

02-16-2018 , 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by raradevils

Your just making stuff up here, are there a percent of people that own guns racist, sure but it's no higher than the rest of the population.

If there was magically a way to perfectly calculate it, I'd wager a significant portion of my net worth that there is a positive correlation between racist ideology and gun ownership. Stone cold Facebook unrushed true lock.

02-16-2018 , 08:39 AM

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Trolly McTrollson

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Originally Posted by bware

Talk about missing the point

Oh, he gets it. Being deliberately obtuse is his thing.

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Originally Posted by adios

So are you comfy with putting the TRUMP administration in charge of confiscation?

LOL, that would be an amazing gift for the Dems. Subscribed.

adios, the whole "confiscation!" thing is a boogeyman for the right, not the left. If it comes to jackbooted thugs coming after the Cliven Bundys of this country, we're going to be eating popcorn and loling. You trying to scare liberals here with confiscation isn't going to work, no matter how you try to workshop it.

02-16-2018 , 08:46 AM

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Bill Haywood

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Originally Posted by champstark

BTW ain't nobody going hunting with a handgun or AR-15, which are the real problems. So who cares.

Actually it's not uncommon. The AR in particular has dampened recoil which is helpful for a ten-year-old deer hunter. And there are massive handguns that some people use for hunting. That said, handguns, removable magazines, and high capacity should still be banned.

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