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03-05-2015 , 12:01 AM
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Originally Posted by 13ball
I don't see how you could see Boehner's actions as anything but anti-Obama and anti executive authority. Isn't that the whole point?

He's "supposed" to be anti-Obama, so it's not surprising except in its lack of precedent, but it's weird that people seem to be arguing that the Congress hosting a critic of the president's current foreign policy goals when Congress has no say in the negotiations is just business as usual.
Israel's position s based upon the impact they see to their country and I read your post originally to mean that it was constituted because of anti-Obama sentiment which is absurd. They stand with the US like no other country in the world. Agreeing with the US is in their self interest they don't vote with us at the UN 97 percent of the time out of altruism. We do generally agree but a policy of standing with the US in the hope that we do the same is sound policy. This disagreement has nothing to do with Obama the person. They spoke out, despite the risk to the relationship, because this is important and the disagreement is sincere.

The case for Boehner is only a little less clear. He gave the PM the opportunity to make his case to change or kill the deal. Congress has foreign relations responsibility, there is pertinent legislation pending, the negotiations are concluding. Why would you not invite Netanyahu to speak? Where is the anti Obama element? Do you believe Boehner, most of the GOP, and a sizable portion of the Democratic party believe this is a deal that should be passed on its merits but **** Obama and the Iran chapter in his autobiography.

Last edited by seattlelou; 03-05-2015 at 12:08 AM.
03-05-2015 , 12:02 AM
I always find it amazing how absolutely certain everyone is about what Israeli politicians are really up to, and it always seems to be something that creates resentment and hate, for some reason or another.

Without fail.
03-05-2015 , 12:08 AM
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Originally Posted by seattlelou
Israel's position s based upon the impact they see to their country and I read your post originally to mean that it was constituted because of anti-Obama sentiment which is absurd. They stand with the US like no other country in the world. Agreeing with the US is in their self interest they don't vote with us at the UN 97 percent of the time out of altruism. We do generally agree but a policy of standing with the US in the hope that we do the same is sound policy. This disagreement has nothing to do with Obama the person for Israel this issue is more important then him. The point for Israel is stop this deal.

The case for Boehner is only a little less clear. He gave the PM the opportunity to make his case to change or kill the deal. Congress has foreign relations responsibility, there is pertinent legislation, the negotiations are concluding. Why would you not invite Netanyahu to speak? Where is the anti Obama element? Do you believe Boehner, most of the GOP, and a sizable portion of the Democratic party believe this is a deal that should be passed on its merits but **** Obama and the Iran chapter in his autobiography.
This.

The Americans and the Iranians are negotiating a deal that has profound consequences. Israel is the closest strategic ally in the region. It has a vested interest in keeping US influential in the region. So they bring in the representative of Israel to discuss the issues relating to the deal.

It's not so hard.

By the way, you know who else strongly supports Bibi?

The entire Arab world. No, seriously.

Literally every non-Iranian controlled country in the Middle East agrees with Benyamin Netanyahu on the issue. It's unheard of.
03-05-2015 , 12:27 AM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Did you accidentally post this one here and the one where you said "Israel" in your stormfront post?
What's wrong, they are jewish ain't they? didn't know that was a dirty word?
03-05-2015 , 12:28 AM
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Originally Posted by mirage01
What's wrong, they are jewish ain't they? didn't know that was a dirty word?
Who is Jewish? Are you talking about Noam Chomsky?
03-05-2015 , 12:41 AM
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Originally Posted by seattlelou
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The case for Boehner is only a little less clear. He gave the PM the opportunity to make his case to change or kill the deal. Congress has foreign relations responsibility, there is pertinent legislation pending, the negotiations are concluding. Why would you not invite Netanyahu to speak? Where is the anti Obama element? Do you believe Boehner, most of the GOP, and a sizable portion of the Democratic party believe this is a deal that should be passed on its merits but **** Obama and the Iran chapter in his autobiography.
You really don't seem to get it. Why would they not invite Netanyahu? Because it is absolutely outrageous to invite a FOREIGN leader into congress specifically to give him the platform to lecture and undermine the US governments foreign policy plans. A foreign leader meddling in america's foreign policy and telling them what to do, under the invitation of the opposition is imo treasonous, and its only because of the subservient brain washing, with everything to do with Israel that people like you don't see it.

Most of the GOP disagree with the deal, which is why they pulled this stunt, and most probably much of the democrats but they are mostly lackies too scared not to bow down to Netanyahu and be accused of not being loyal to Israel, which seems to be the biggest crime in Congress.

Netanyahu is free to disagree with the Obama policy but he has no right to grand stand in congress in a mock state of the union. Do it somewhere else, you don't go to someone's house and insult them.

Where is the F Obama element? It's his policy they don't like.
03-05-2015 , 12:43 AM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Who is Jewish? Are you talking about Noam Chomsky?
People of Israel.
03-05-2015 , 12:47 AM
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Originally Posted by mirage01
People of Israel.
The people? Not just the politicians? Ok, does it include the 25% who aren't Jewish? The 18% who are Muslim citizens of Israel?
03-05-2015 , 12:51 AM
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Originally Posted by microbet
The people? Not just the politicians? Ok, does it include the 25% who aren't Jewish? The 18% who are Muslim citizens of Israel?
Yes the politicians and the lobbyists who ensure Congress works for them and bows down. I assume that element are not Muslin and indeed Jewish?
03-05-2015 , 01:03 AM
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Originally Posted by mirage01
You really don't seem to get it. Why would they not invite Netanyahu? Because it is absolutely outrageous to invite a FOREIGN leader into congress specifically to give him the platform to lecture and undermine the US governments foreign policy plans. A foreign leader meddling in america's foreign policy and telling them what to do, under the invitation of the opposition is imo treasonous, and its only because of the subservient brain washing, with everything to do with Israel that people like you don't see it.

Most of the GOP disagree with the deal, which is why they pulled this stunt, and most probably much of the democrats but they are mostly lackies too scared not to bow down to Netanyahu and be accused of not being loyal to Israel, which seems to be the biggest crime in Congress.

Netanyahu is free to disagree with the Obama policy but he has no right to grand stand in congress in a mock state of the union. Do it somewhere else, you don't go to someone's house and insult them.

Where is the F Obama element? It's his policy they don't like.
I think your last sentence made sense if you get rid of the rest of nonsense. How do feel about black people? Sodomites? Do you have a newsletter of which I may subscribe?
03-05-2015 , 01:06 AM
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Originally Posted by mirage01
Yes the politicians and the lobbyists who ensure Congress works for them and bows down. I assume that element are not Muslin and indeed Jewish?
Some of the politicians are Muslim, Some Muslims support Netanyahu on this, Some Jews don't.

You mean Jews that support Netanyahu on this?

What about that Jew money?

How much money does the Rothschild family have?
03-05-2015 , 01:13 AM
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Originally Posted by seattlelou
I think your last sentence made sense if you get rid of the rest of nonsense. How do feel about black people? Sodomites? Do you have a newsletter of which I may subscribe?
Why is the rest nonsense? Are you actually denying the purpose of his speech was to sabotage the Iran negotiations and lecture the president in his own house? You have no problem with a foreign leader coming in and telling your president what to do?
03-05-2015 , 01:14 AM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Some of the politicians are Muslim, Some Muslims support Netanyahu on this, Some Jews don't.

You mean Jews that support Netanyahu on this?

I'm sure some are Muslim but again I referring the power element of the 'Jewish State' as Netanyahu calls it. Bye.
03-05-2015 , 01:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Gamblor
This.

The Americans and the Iranians are negotiating a deal that has profound consequences. Israel is the closest strategic ally in the region. It has a vested interest in keeping US influential in the region. So they bring in the representative of Israel to discuss the issues relating to the deal.

It's not so hard.

By the way, you know who else strongly supports Bibi?

The entire Arab world. No, seriously.

Literally every non-Iranian controlled country in the Middle East agrees with Benyamin Netanyahu on the issue. It's unheard of.
Literally every non-Iranian controlled country agrees with Bibi guys! The proof is in this op-ed I found that offers no data proving this. More proof is this second article that cuts and pastes the first op-ed.
03-05-2015 , 01:33 AM
Wait, as a little kid, I thought Australians lived upside down. Like blood flowed to their head and they just were used to being backwards and weird.

Maybe I was onto something.
03-05-2015 , 01:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Gamblor
Amazing. Even Mahmoud Abbas is on Bibi's side.



I'm sure he'll go back to Holocaust denial and paying terrorists, but for now, this is insane.
Last time I checked Faisal Abbas, the author of the article you're quoting, is not Mahmoud Abbas.
03-05-2015 , 01:40 AM
Never go full negs, bro.
03-05-2015 , 01:41 AM
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Originally Posted by ALLTheCookies
Literally every non-Iranian controlled country agrees with Bibi guys! The proof is in this op-ed I found that offers no data proving this. More proof is this second article that cuts and pastes the first op-ed.
lolwut, this can not be real. The second article includes a paragraph linking to the first one but includes several other reports, and half of it is not included in the first.

Anyway, Al Arabiya is a competitor to al Jazeera and is, in fact, where Obama gave his first formal interview after being elected, so its got some street cred, even if Arab world standards for journalism are far from Western standards.

ATC really just off the deep end in here. Flipping out over standing ovations, now this complete literacy failure.
03-05-2015 , 01:43 AM
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Originally Posted by ALLTheCookies
Last time I checked Faisal Abbas, the author of the article you're quoting, is not Mahmoud Abbas.
whoops, my **** up. deleting now.
03-05-2015 , 01:46 AM
Ha-Ha! That's why I quoted it!
03-05-2015 , 01:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Gamblor
lolwut, this can not be real. The second article includes a paragraph linking to the first one but includes several other reports, and half of it is not included in the first.

Anyway, Al Arabiya is a competitor to al Jazeera and is, in fact, where Obama gave his first formal interview after being elected, so its got some street cred, even if Arab world standards for journalism are far from Western standards.

ATC really just off the deep end in here. Flipping out over standing ovations, now this complete literacy failure.
Huh? The last 4 paragraphs are almost entirely composed of quotes in quotation marks from the 1st article. The first 3 paragraphs are an introduction and a link to ONE other op-ed.

You do know the comments don't count as part of an article, right?
03-05-2015 , 02:12 AM
Looks like more gamblorisms from up on Bull**** Mtn
03-05-2015 , 03:37 AM
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Originally Posted by mirage01
Why is the rest nonsense? Are you actually denying the purpose of his speech was to sabotage the Iran negotiations and lecture the president in his own house? You have no problem with a foreign leader coming in and telling your president what to do?
It was certainly intended to not broker a deal with Iran that he considers ill advised. He did it at the request of Boehner and if we have to assign singular ownership to a single person its his. Leaders discuss foreign policy at home and abroad. Are you knew to following politics and diplomacy? In democracies there is a desire to have a robust debate. Nobody is arguing that Netanyahu does not have the right to speak. He can even disagree on US soil.
Obama is the President, not the Ayatollah or the Supreme Leader. Boehner is not going to get assassinated for his disagreement. These are good things.
03-05-2015 , 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by [Phill]
Well I'm certain Bibi and the Republicans who wanted the Iraq war in 2003 and were talking up the stability it will bring to the region have super valuable inputs to make...
I'm not sure where Bibi fell on the matter but it's fairly well documented that Israel tried to persuade the U.S to focus its post 9/11 pressure on Iran first. Israel saw Saddam as contained.
03-05-2015 , 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by seattlelou
The case for Boehner is only a little less clear. He gave the PM the opportunity to make his case to change or kill the deal. Congress has foreign relations responsibility, there is pertinent legislation pending, the negotiations are concluding. Why would you not invite Netanyahu to speak? Where is the anti Obama element? Do you believe Boehner, most of the GOP, and a sizable portion of the Democratic party believe this is a deal that should be passed on its merits but **** Obama and the Iran chapter in his autobiography.
Congress has a long history of not getting involved in negotiations and this invitation was unprecedented. It's irrelevant if Boehner genuinely dislikes the deal.

      
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