Not sure exactly, this gets implemented on Oct 1st, so I'm guessing that any payments that would be processed after that would be canceled.

Well.....you know what they say "......it's going to get worst before it gets better "

Hera ya go
http://www.bls.gov/jlt/2010revisionjo.txt

Those people aren't part of the labor force, your anecdote doesn't have anything to do with anything people are talking about. Unless this is just a thread where people bitch about how lazy other people are. That sounds productive.

There was an article in investors business daily yesterday which said that federal safety net outlays will exceed income tax revenues this year. It seemed to me that this figure cannot be right. Is be interested to know how they came up with that. Did anyone else read it?

I was unemployed for a short while after law school so I was volunteering for a nigerian immigrant who had his own law practice. He started it when he couldn't find a job. Similarity be would recommend to his immigration clients to start businesses if they couldn't find jobs. He had several of us interning for him and he tried to convince is to start law firms and a lot of us just wanted to find jobs. On my opinion ya because we have this sense of entitlement in this country we just want a good job and to be taken care of. The unemployment rate would be low if everyone just instantly purchased a lawn mower and hung up flyers when they lost their jobs but its way easier to just collect a check. I personally have never gone on unemployment or anything because I've had a lot of privileges and feel like there are more deserving people out there.

I'll shovel horse **** for 15/hrs a day before I ever go on unemployment.

California about to get a population boost

I think there is a limit to how many people want to live off 300 bucks a month or whatever it is...

I personally like hazing monies.

You eihter want lot's of monies and cool things...or you want to sits on couch.

I would think more monies>>>>>>sitting on couch but watever

no offense but if unemployment pays better than shoveling for 15 hrs a day well.... thanks for leaving extra benefits for me !!!!

But who wants to work for a crappy magazine?

NP

In this instance, I really just want to do what I can to be part of the solution.

I think I've spotted the problem, doctor.

If we didn't create this ****ty market for jobs we wouldn't have an 'obligation' for feeding people. There is nothing wrong with helping out people in need but it is ridiculous, the govt massacres the job market and then gives incentive for people to permanently live on temporary assistance, all in the name of "fairness". Regardless of the "small" financial cost it is not fair on the rest of society who pays.

Welfare should be the last resort and provide nothing more than the basics, and most definitely no free cash to spend.

This thread is pretty funny to read from a northern european perspective (way better benefits, lower unemployment, lower debt).

Yeah, how can you cite something that's made up?

ohh yeah? What are you paying in taxes?

I wish we were close to the northern european model, but it would be really hard to get that kind of tax structure in this country, especially since people always pushing for lower taxes than what we already have.

fyp

Much higher. My point was, abuse of welfare services that are way better than in the US still is pretty low. Libertarians would probably be pleased to know we don't have a minimum wage. On the other hand, most people are in unions and most workplaces have tariff deals (right word?) in place.


Yeah doubt that's ever gonna happen. Somehow I don't feel like my freedom is being squeezed out of my soul. Prob brainwashed.

Which country are you from Soulman? Thought all of Northern Europe had min wage laws.

Norway. There are union-negotiated minimum wages of sorts in some branches, typically the worst paid jobs (cleaning, hotel maids etc). Plus some really awful socialist crap that requires subcontractors to pay their employees at these minimum levels or GTFO, even if they aren't Norwegian companies.

A lot of European countries have industry wide bargaining agreements that set wages and benefits for entire sectors.

Why do you think Norway's unemployment rate is so low? It's unlikely that good benefits directly impact this so there must be other factors.

This article seems to say both that there is abuse and the unemployment numbers are artificially low but I assume your point is generally true. So what do you think is the reason?

http://www.newsinenglish.no/2010/05/...ificially-low/

Meh, that study is definitely disputed (I remember a controversy surrounding it at the time of the release). One of the reasons for the relatively high number of people on disability is that Norway has a higher percentage of the population actively working than any other European country (article in a Norwegian paper - don't have a link, sorry). This means that people who otherwise would simply not be counted in other countries' statistics appear in ours as people on disabilities.

I basically think the unemployment rate is low because of the oil. Without it we would probably be closer to Sweden's and Denmark's numbers, which are still fairly good in a European perspective. That's a bit simplified and I'm sure there are other reasons as well.

Unemployment stayed low even during the financial crisis in 2008. The government introduced typical Keynesian measures. Unlike most other countries that did this though, we had a budget surplus to start with. We also have strict rules in place on how much of our oil money that's spent, so we have a sizable fund for rainy days. I'm not saying everything's sunshine and unicorns here, just so that's clear...