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05-25-2011 , 02:35 PM


Nothing to see here folks. Move along
05-25-2011 , 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by mosdef
Is this the new "if everyone else was as smart and knowledgeable as me then they would agree with me"?
meh, it's the "I miss times when it wasn't trivially easy to scare the **** out of people".
05-25-2011 , 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by ErikTheDread


Nothing to see here folks. Move along
Kind of surprised that the Bush Tax Cut impact grows over time like that. I guess they're projecting that a growing portion of individual income will fall under the tax brackets where the tax cuts applied.

It also seems somewhat disingenuous to be talking about how much of future debt is due to a particular prior tax cut. You could also take any previous tax cut from the last 100 years and model out how much additional revenue you would have if you put those rates back in place. Of course the Bush tax cuts are very recent and were scheduled to expire, so it's not a totally misleading thing to do.
05-25-2011 , 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
meh, it's the "I miss times when it wasn't trivially easy to scare the **** out of people".
When was this?

















05-25-2011 , 02:59 PM
My point exactly. You used to have to make a big propaganda effort, get out posters, etc. And you could only scare people over really big things that they were already scared about.

Now all you have to do is say "Ok what's our best agitate-the-Republican-base story this week? ... Really, a rapper in the white house? That's it? No illegal aliens getting penis implants or Muslims trying to build a mosque somewhere sensitive? ... Oh well I guess that's the best we got this week. Start the machinery..."

And since the machinery is starving for something to talk about, it basically just takes one-page story from somewhere in the bowels of the pundit-o-sphere. Then talk radio, fox news and the right-wing internet echo chamber takes the ball and runs away with it. Now imagine if they had something real to squawk about like raising taxes?

And yes I realize there is a liberal counterpart to this, although I don't think it's nearly as blatant or fine-tuned. But it is effective enough to freak people out about losing Medicare obviously.

So basically we can never raise taxes, or cut medicare, so we're ****ed. 20-30 years ago you might have been able to sneak one or the other of those by the general public. That's my point.

Last edited by suzzer99; 05-25-2011 at 03:04 PM.
05-25-2011 , 02:59 PM
Fan Tan parlors are nothing but money laundering fronts. Everyone knows that.
05-25-2011 , 04:06 PM
05-25-2011 , 04:10 PM
Is this a game where we're supposed to guess what this chart means?
05-25-2011 , 04:17 PM
Yes.

Go.
05-25-2011 , 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by HC82
There were plenty of places where an applause would have been appropriate. Much of the speech was about England's history and history of the two countries (lots of WWII references etc). Obama even paused several times seemingly expecting one and they left him hanging.

By this point I figured they just never applauded which is cool but when they did it just that once it was dirty. He got trolled hard.
I shouldnt need to ask this, but it wasnt the end of his speech was it?
05-25-2011 , 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
Is this a game where we're supposed to guess what this chart means?
It means that certain commodities have gotten a lot more expensive since the federal reserve was started.

Which means, of course, that our standard of living is much worse than in 1913.
05-25-2011 , 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
My point exactly. You used to have to make a big propaganda effort, get out posters, etc. And you could only scare people over really big things that they were already scared about.

Now all you have to do is say "Ok what's our best agitate-the-Republican-base story this week? ... Really, a rapper in the white house? That's it? No illegal aliens getting penis implants or Muslims trying to build a mosque somewhere sensitive? ... Oh well I guess that's the best we got this week. Start the machinery..."

And since the machinery is starving for something to talk about, it basically just takes one-page story from somewhere in the bowels of the pundit-o-sphere. Then talk radio, fox news and the right-wing internet echo chamber takes the ball and runs away with it. Now imagine if they had something real to squawk about like raising taxes?

And yes I realize there is a liberal counterpart to this, although I don't think it's nearly as blatant or fine-tuned. But it is effective enough to freak people out about losing Medicare obviously.

So basically we can never raise taxes, or cut medicare, so we're ****ed. 20-30 years ago you might have been able to sneak one or the other of those by the general public. That's my point.
Things move much more quickly now, yes. But that doesn't mean people are any less easily frightened. Back in the day, you didn't have to come up with a weekly plaint. You could roll with one huge lie and hope it sticks:

http://www.neatorama.com/2008/01/28/...ns-in-history/

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Adams’ Federalists carried things even further, asking voters, “Are you prepared to see your dwellings in flames… female chastity violated… children writhing on the pike? GREAT GOD OF COMPASSION AND JUSTICE, SHIELD MY COUNTRY FROM DESTRUCTION.”
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Adams’ previous term had not been a very successful one, but he was prepared to sling a little mud anyway. He and his handlers said Jackson had the personality of a dictator, was too uneducated to be president (they claimed he spelled Europe ‘Urope’), and hurled all sorts of horrible insults at his wife, Rachel. Rachel had been in an abusive marriage with a man who finally divorced her, but divorce was still quite the scandal at the time. The Federalists called her a “dirty black wench”, a “convicted adulteress” and said she was prone to “open and notorious lewdness”.

On their end, Jackson’s people said that Adams had sold his wife’s maid as a concubine to the czar of Russia.
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Democrat Al Smith lost pretty badly to Republican Herbert Hoover, largely due to one reason: his religion. At the time of the election, the Holland Tunnel in New York was just being finished up. Republicans told everyone that the Catholic Smith had commissioned a secret tunnel 3,500 miles long, from the Holland Tunnel to the Vatican in Rome, and that the Pope would have say in all presidential matters should Smith be elected
Sure, it was harder to get a poster campaign going tehn than it is to write a blog post now, but one huge lie went a long, long ways
05-25-2011 , 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by 13ball
It means that certain commodities have gotten a lot more expensive since the federal reserve was started.

Which means, of course, that our standard of living is much worse than in 1913.
Well duh. Things were so awesome back then. I can't even bring my 8-year-old to work with me in the coal mine anymore.
05-25-2011 , 04:37 PM
Man, you're good at this game.

I thought it would take at least 10 posts to get to, "That chart means I want suzzer to work in a 19th century coal mine," yet you got to it in a mere 4.
05-25-2011 , 04:39 PM
I'm ever vigilant against the scourge of progressivism.
05-25-2011 , 04:55 PM
Today's bad headline comes to us by way of my NYT feed:

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At War: A Year at War: The Chaos of War, Up Close
http://atwar.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/...er=rss&emc=rss

Clicking on the link reveals the headline to be a little bit less ridiculous, as apparently the feed appends the name of the blog to the front of the headline, but even with out the first "At War:" the headline is a little too much "Department of Redundancy Department."
05-25-2011 , 04:57 PM
This could be interesting: Showdown between Texas & Department of Justice over Texas anti-pat-down bill.

The gist is that Texas is attempting to pass an anti-pat-down bill, and the DOJ responded with a letter telling them that they'd be running afoul of Federal law and that the TSA could cancel all flights departing Texas.
05-25-2011 , 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by EricLindros
This could be interesting: Showdown between Texas & Department of Justice over Texas anti-pat-down bill.

The gist is that Texas is attempting to pass an anti-pat-down bill, and the DOJ responded with a letter telling them that they'd be running afoul of Federal law and that the TSA could cancel all flights departing Texas.
Don't Molest With Texas
05-25-2011 , 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
Well duh. Things were so awesome back then. I can't even bring my 8-year-old to work with me in the coal mine anymore.
This would be awesome if we applied the same argument to, say, repealing drug prohibition.
05-25-2011 , 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by mosdef
Kind of surprised that the Bush Tax Cut impact grows over time like that. I guess they're projecting that a growing portion of individual income will fall under the tax brackets where the tax cuts applied.
I think the reason for this is, that the tax cuts add to the deficit every year. Every year people would pay more taxes without the tax cut obviously.

Now for some of those "emergency" measures against effects of the financial crisis you don't have that and only need to add interest.
05-25-2011 , 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by pvn
This would be awesome if we applied the same argument to, say, repealing drug prohibition.
Things were so awesome back then - my Coca Cola had real cocaine in it and I could get heroin from my doctor?
05-25-2011 , 05:16 PM
lol @ people believing there was a secret underground tunnel from the Vatican to New York.

Couldn't the pope just use a telephone?
05-25-2011 , 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
Things were so awesome back then - my Coca Cola had real cocaine in it and I could get heroin from my doctor?
No, back when drugs were legal you could take your kid to work in the coal mine.
05-25-2011 , 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by EricLindros
This could be interesting: Showdown between Texas & Department of Justice over Texas anti-pat-down bill.

The gist is that Texas is attempting to pass an anti-pat-down bill, and the DOJ responded with a letter telling them that they'd be running afoul of Federal law and that the TSA could cancel all flights departing Texas.
The 60s had the National Guard vs. Alabama over integration. We get the feds vs. Texas over pat downs.

Last edited by suzzer99; 05-25-2011 at 05:17 PM. Reason: Things were better back in the coal mine obv.
05-25-2011 , 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by JayTeeMe
lol @ people believing there was a secret underground tunnel from the Vatican to New York.

Couldn't the pope just use a telephone?
Can't kiss the ring over the telephone.

      
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