If I was in charge with a magic wand, as a bare minimum, I'd make it so that in order to use a SWAT team the police would have to obtain a special warrant showing a clear and present danger. The standards to meet would be pretty damn high as well.

This could be a bit results oriented. Liberal use of SWAT teams and power asymmetry might save a lot of lives overall. Of course in almost all of these cases they should make a ton of noise and leave no doubt that they are SWAT except for really rare situations.

Possibly, but before someone goes charging in with guns they should meet a standard much higher than possibly.

The solution is: do not put people who lack judgement into situations where good judgement is critical / have people with good judgement in situations where good judgement is critical.

Stop carrying the water for police murder.

"Managed to find?" ... LOL.... You can't look at the regional headlines anymore without stumbling all over stories just like this. But each time, cornucopians laugh the realities off, and refuse to acknowledge the trend overall.

Whether its a bankrupt federal government, or petty theft at the main st. level for trade goods. ... It's the same condition.



Irony.

End the ****ing drug war.

^ this ^

God. Fly yells at you guys because any hint of nuance is totally wasted. I phrased everything I said pretty carefully and I'm "carrying the water for police murder".

lumping me in with riverfenix while complaining of people missing nuance.... GOLD JERRY GOLD!

In my inbox today:

Welcome to the politics forum, where nuance never stands in the way of a good rant.

Dids, why are some drug dealers violent, while others (for example, booze or tobacco dealers) non-violent?

qdmcg- http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/dollarcoin.asp

I predict you will be VERY surprised by what you find at that link. I'm really glad DVaut mentioned the plen-T-plaint concept, it's really quite helpful when trying to understand why something like this would get emailed around for 4 years when literally anyone with access to the coin would be able to determine its falsehood.

P.S. A fun and potentially profitable game would be asking Tea Party types to guess how long "In God We Trust" has been our national motto(in a related story, ask how long "one nation under God" has been in the pledge of allegiance).

Please don't encourage him. And eff the nuances of police actions that are only "necessary" because of idiotic laws that provide a lucrative business for violent criminals and that in turn lead to the deaths of innocents and the losses of individual freedoms.

Bahaha, you still gonna try and insult me like that?

I watch one show with a medieval theme and its Game of Thrones, of which i have read zero books.

I would like to poll a thousand or so card carrying tea partiers and see what % came out against "adding"

as an amendment to the constitution. For the lulz

Apparently this specific e-mail chain has been going around for almost 4 years. I'd love to be able to follow the progression of how it still gets sent around 4 years later through the toobs.

I was on my phone busy being tilted by other stuff at lunch and didn't pay attention and just saw a colorful avatar and thought it was Borodog. So while he doesn't know it, he's the one who should be offended.

You on the other hand keep making arguments against points I'm not making and making a lot of assumptions about what happened that you simply don't know.

We have no idea what intelligence the police had in this situation. For all you know they believe it to be a heavily armored house (you may have missed the Wire reference, but it was simply a residential house they raided in S1, S3 had the larger warehouse raid IIRC). We just don't have enough information to know anything beyond that clearly the police coming in interpreted this as a potentially violent situation and that's all I'm trying to say.

pvn,

It would be awesome if you just made the point you wanted to make instead of asking silly questions.

But dollar coins are good?

I guess you post multiple avatars for "The Guild" also, but don't watch the show.

I mean, it's OK and all. Just don't lie about it.

So there's no point in talking specifics in a situation and you'd just prefer to rant about the bigger issues? That forgives glossing over somebody's post and interpreting it in a way that fits the narrative you wanted to put out there?

I mentioned this with something pvn posted a while back- these sorts of links are pointless if you want to talk about broad policy, because they're just one example that doesn't have much meaning and can be easily countered with other singular examples. So what's the point at all if people are unwilling to engage in specifics?

The best part is how apparently in 2008 to mollify these people they moved "In God We Trust" to a more prominent position on the coin, yet 3 years afterward somebody in your contact list is still fighting the good fight.

Penn and Teller would do it, somebody get in touch with their people.

Dids,
You're indirectly suggesting that the drug war is legitimate. To use an extreme example, it's like if I were to begin discussing the merits of various strategies used by labor camp drivers to motivate prisoners to work. It suggests that I condone such actions and don't find them morally reprehensible. (And yes FFS I know my analogy isn't perfect. There is no such thing).

Lol, the Guild is a web sitcom based in the real world about people who meet by playing a game similar to World of Warcraft. It wasnt until season 3 it even showed any of the game itself.

Jesus Jiggs, i know you are terrible at working google cos you are a troofer and a general conspiratard but you should really look stuff up from time to time.