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03-08-2017 , 12:53 PM

#276

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Quote:

Originally Posted by General Tsao

Are we seriously not talking about the recent wikileak?

CIA hacking, a microphone in every home....you know, the Fourth Amendment, civil liberties, privacy, etc? Or can I go back to believing that none of you actually care about civil liberties and you're just mad about your side not winning the election...

What's your point? Have the Republicans been the party of privacy? Where's the alternative there? I didn't notice Trump trying to executive order away the Patriot Act.

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03-08-2017 , 12:56 PM

#277

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It's like, even on their subject of choice, these guys can't even be bothered to write out what the CIA did, why it's good or bad, whatever.

It's just nonstop "LIBERALS LIBERALS LIBERALS".

Trump voters, man, what can you do?

03-08-2017 , 12:57 PM

#278

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Tsao,

Who exactly do you think is in favour of the US government listening to all our conversations? Anyone on this board for example? Any prominent liberals?

03-08-2017 , 12:58 PM

#279

FlyWf

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Someone who was seriously concerned with surveillance would, IDK, make a post that looked like:

"Wikileaks just dropped a big cache on CIA methods.

1) blah blah blah
2) blah blah blah
and, most worrying,
3) blah blah blah"

But instead of that, the Ron Paul Revolution and it's slow pony is here trying to upbraid liberals for not... already... talking about it.

03-08-2017 , 12:59 PM

#280

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Part of TrumpSpeak is leaving lots of holes in your sentences and paragraphs so listeners can fill in the blanks. And a side effect is that often people who aren't "in" on the lingo just have no idea what the hell someone is talking about.

03-08-2017 , 01:00 PM

#281

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Quote:

Originally Posted by tomdemaine

Tsao,

Who exactly do you think is in favour of the US government listening to all our conversations? Anyone on this board for example? Any prominent liberals?

Great! I look forward to the soon to be announced protests across the country.

03-08-2017 , 01:02 PM

#282

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Cutting Coast Guard funding is a weird play for someone who's all about border security.

03-08-2017 , 01:04 PM

#283

FlyWf

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Ok and if those protests don't happen, which they won't any more than there were protests in after NYT report on Bush's warrantless wiretapping program or after Snowden revealed the scope of Obama era monitoring of electronic communctions...

What is your point here?

03-08-2017 , 01:05 PM

#284

FlyWf

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Neither you or Dan were outraged by Vault7 enough to click the ****ing New Thread button here on Two Plus Two, kinda of tough to blame liberals for not being out in the street.

I'm struggling to see where this is going beyond the usual hatred of people who made you go to school with blacks.

03-08-2017 , 01:07 PM

#285

tomdemaine

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Quote:

Originally Posted by General Tsao

Great! I look forward to the soon to be announced protests across the country.

Organise one.

03-08-2017 , 01:09 PM

#286

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Quote:

Originally Posted by FlyWf

My point is that none of you actually care about civil liberties. You just use civil liberties as a tool to score political points when it benefits you.

03-08-2017 , 01:10 PM

#287

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Quote:

Originally Posted by tomdemaine

Organise one.

No need to form my own, I'll join one created by the tens of millions of liberals who care about civil liberties - I cannot wait to meet all of you there!

03-08-2017 , 01:11 PM

#288

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Quote:

Originally Posted by General Tsao

No need to form my own, I'll join one created by the tens of millions of liberals who care about civil liberties - I cannot wait to meet all of you there!

Seems like you don't care all that much either. You scored a sweet political point though.

03-08-2017 , 01:13 PM

#289

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Quote:

Originally Posted by FlyWf

Bro my original post on the topic was just expressing surprise that a massive political newstory had broken and that there wasn't a single mention of it for like 3 hours, followed with a slight shot Vox and Huffpo didn't have a story on it yet.

This of course led to a series of tangential and crazy posts, but hey thats the way things go.

03-08-2017 , 01:14 PM

#290

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If you check the Law & Order thread in this forum, liberals AND conservatives alike have been posting quite a bit over the last few years (while Obama was in charge.) Although a lot of us would argue that the private prisons, police brutality, and war on drugs are the real civil liberties problems in the United States right now.

03-08-2017 , 01:16 PM

#291

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Originally Posted by tomdemaine

Seems like you don't care all that much either. You scored a sweet political point though.

Of course I care - but libertarians have absolutely 0 influence or power in this country. Liberals are actually in a place to make an impact, but too bad they don't actually give a **** about civil liberties unless they can figure out a way to knock Trump down with their concern.

03-08-2017 , 01:16 PM

#292

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Like, the surveillance problem is a huge "problem" for middle- and upper-class white dudes because it's one of the very rare times the police state infringes on their existence. When you're black and poor in America, the police state is a constant cudgel being used against you every day. Many people are not so concerned about Vault7 as they are what's going on right in the open.

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03-08-2017 , 01:17 PM

#293

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Originally Posted by FlyWf

The CIA having secret spy tools is worrying for any real civil libertarian (i.e. not a Republican). Time and time again the government has tools to fight one thing and uses it in other ways. Wiretapping in general is an example. It's constitutionality was established in a case against organized crime during prohibition, but not very long after that the government wiretapped MLK.

03-08-2017 , 01:17 PM

#294

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And liberals do care, but the thing is if you're paying attention you already had to know this stuff was going on. The attacks on the fourth amendment have been taking place in public, in the courts & legislative process. The CIA is gonna CIA, the problem is that so much of what they're doing may be totally legal.

03-08-2017 , 01:19 PM

#295

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Quote:

Originally Posted by General Tsao

Of course I care - but libertarians have absolutely 0 influence or power in this country.

Maybe you guys should stop acting like ass clowns on the Internet and actually get involved with the political process.

PS: Shut the **** up.

03-08-2017 , 01:19 PM

#296

tomdemaine

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Quote:

Originally Posted by General Tsao

What should liberals do about this issue to prove to your satisfaction that they care about civil liberties? Bullet points for preference.

03-08-2017 , 01:24 PM

#297

MrWookie

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Tsao,

Is the ACLU a bunch of fakers as well? Because they haven't had anything to say about the wikileaks dump, either.

03-08-2017 , 01:26 PM

#298

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Quote:

Originally Posted by General Tsao

Liberals are very active in civil liberties. You just aren't counting what einbert was talking about, like voting rights.

If you just want to talk about government invasion of privacy, that's hard because a fair amount of liberals don't care that much about such things. But there is no significant other side available. When the Patriot Act was last extended 122 Democrats vs 31 Republicans voted against in the House.

Should liberals protest Democrats? Yes, absolutely in my opinion, but some people think protesting Democrats undermines them and plays into your team's hands.

03-08-2017 , 01:44 PM

#299

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Quote:

Originally Posted by microbet

If you just want to talk about government invasion of privacy, that's hard because a fair amount of liberals don't care that much about such things.

Wait, THEY DON'T!?

03-08-2017 , 01:45 PM

#300

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Quote:

Originally Posted by General Tsao

My point is that none of you actually care about civil liberties. You just use civil liberties as a tool to score political points when it benefits you.

LMAO "Liberals don't care about every single civil liberty violation therefor they don't really care about any civil liberties!" That's what you're going with?

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