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10-09-2010 , 02:06 AM

Pokamastah

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So Xiaobo is an author and human rights activist.

-Got a doctors degree in literature in 1988

-Was put in jail for participating in the student uprising in 1989

-Signed a manifest called 'Charta 08' for which he was sentenced for 12 years in prison and still has 11 years left of his sentence.

Chinas reaction has been to threaten Norway, warning about future 'cold relations' and they shut down CNN in the whole of China after this was announced.

10-09-2010 , 02:08 AM

valenzuela

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Seems more worthy than last guy that won it. For consistency the prize should have gone to the chinese goverment instead.

10-09-2010 , 03:07 AM

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Well Obama is expected to press China to release him in Nov at a G20. China is expected to ask if he is ready to repay those loans, lol.

Fwiw this is exactly the kind of person they should be choosing, in order to highlight problems of the world and press the governments to grow some balls and put more pressure on these guys. I have no idea what they were smoking when they gave Obama the prize last year when he hadnt achieved anything but i get giving this guy the prize despite him not achieving anything either.

10-09-2010 , 03:08 AM

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Any we care what a bunch of loony euros say because...

10-09-2010 , 03:41 AM

Pokamastah

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Originally Posted by USC Cheats

Any we care what a bunch of loony euros say because...

Who is 'we'? Are you Chinese?

10-09-2010 , 08:17 AM

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Last year, he was sentenced on Christmas Day, when much of the foreign press was away, to 11 years in prison for "inciting subversion of state power." He is now held in a cell with five common criminals at Jinzhou Prison in Liaoning province, about 500 km northeast of Beijing, where his wife lives. The evidence against him was a series of essays he had written questioning the authoritarian rule of the Chinese Communist Party and Charter 08, a human-rights manifesto that he co-authored.

http://www.time.com/time/world/artic...024405,00.html

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The Charter calls for 19 changes to improve human rights in China, including an independent legal system, freedom of association and the elimination of one-party rule. "All kinds of social conflicts have constantly accumulated and feelings of discontent have risen consistently," it reads. "The current system has become backward to the point that change cannot be avoided." China remains the only large world power to still retain an authoritarian system that so infringes on human rights, it states. "This situation must change! Political democratic reforms cannot be delayed any longer!"[5]

Specific demands are:

1. Amending the Constitution.
2. Separation of powers.
3. Legislative democracy.
4. An independent judiciary.
5. Public control of public servants.
6. Guarantee of human rights.
7. Election of public officials.
8. Rural–urban equality.
9. Freedom of association.
10. Freedom of assembly.
11. Freedom of expression.
12. Freedom of religion.
13. Civic education.
14. Protection of private property.
15. Financial and tax reform.
16. Social security.
17. Protection of the environment.
18. A federated republic.
19. Truth in reconciliation.[6]

The opening paragraph of the charter states:

“This year is the 100th year of China's Constitution, the 60th anniversary of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, the 30th anniversary of the birth of the Democracy Wall, and the 10th year since China signed the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights. After experiencing a prolonged period of human rights disasters and a tortuous struggle and resistance, the awakening Chinese citizens are increasingly and more clearly recognizing that freedom, equality, and human rights are universal common values shared by all humankind, and that democracy, a republic, and constitutionalism constitute the basic structural framework of modern governance. A "modernization" bereft of these universal values and this basic political framework is a disastrous process that deprives humans of their rights, corrodes human nature, and destroys human dignity. Where will China head in the 21st century? Continue a "modernization" under this kind of authoritarian rule? Or recognize universal values, assimilate into the mainstream civilization, and build a democratic political system? This is a major decision that cannot be avoided.[7]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charter_08

..because everybody should be able to be king!

10-09-2010 , 08:49 AM

BurningSquirrel

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Originally Posted by Nielsio

..because everybody should be able to be king!

if you want to spam do it elsewhere.

This post is a new low point for you.

His charta is absolutely reasonable and if you have any problems with it than express your concerns and stop this ridicilous highjacking.

10-09-2010 , 09:20 AM

2/325Falcon

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Can't wait till he bombs Yemen!

10-09-2010 , 10:09 AM

SenorKeeed

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I can't believe this clown robbed Obama of back to back prizes. What a joke.

10-09-2010 , 10:25 AM

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I agree, nobel should have gone to the gov't of China for the expectation that they "do the right thing".

10-09-2010 , 10:57 AM

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I agree, nobel should have gone to the gov't of China for the expectation that they "do the right thing".

Maybe if the government of China was a celebrity.

10-09-2010 , 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by USC Cheats

Any we care what a bunch of loony euros say because...

there was a time when they werent completely hijacked by politics and it could be taken seriously.

10-09-2010 , 03:00 PM

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how did this become a piss on Obama thread?

10-09-2010 , 03:21 PM

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Obama is very relevant on this discussion.
We are discussing the nobel peace prize which was won by him last year and brings into question the real legitimacy of the prize.
However Im not against Obama, Im against the nobel institution tarding up what was once something valuable.

10-09-2010 , 03:26 PM

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Since I guess we're gonna do tins dance again:

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Because he's not.

Some of the things Barack Obama has done to promote peace:

Withdraw troops from Iraqi cities.
Begin closing Guantanamo and implement additional protections for detainees.
The accident of his skin color promotes racial harmony domestically.
Nuclear non-proliferation work as a Senator
Ordered troops out of Iraqi cities, which will lead to withdrawl
His Cairo speech was the first attempt to bridge the transcendent conflict of the post-Cold War era.

So yes, Barack Obama is a peacemaker and your characterization of him as a war mongerer is false.

10-09-2010 , 03:35 PM

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SenorKeeed

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You forgot

-- Escalated the war in Afghanistan and Pakistan
-- Ordered the summary execution without trial of at least one US citizen
-- Announced his policy of indefinite detention without charge for certain detainees

10-09-2010 , 03:37 PM

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Didn't Obama win the prize like 30 days after he got elected? (I forget sorry)

Were troop levels the same in Iraq then? Yes, I know they have been reduced now but I would hardly say the Iraq war is over. Plus, he increased troops in Afghanistan.

Last I checked, Guantanamo is still open and has terror detainees.

Has his being black really "promoted racial harmony domestically"? I guess that sounds nice, like how his not being Bush is supposed to make the world love the US again. How true either of those is is another matter. Feel free to show proof of these claims.

10-09-2010 , 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by iron81

Since I guess we're gonna do tins dance again:

so the criteria for recieving the nobel peace price is being slightly less evil and oppressing than the precursor at the post?

10-09-2010 , 04:07 PM

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so the criteria for recieving the nobel peace price is being slightly less evil and oppressing than the precursor at the post?

Obama promises to take all the troops out of Iraq, as the first thing he will do in office. "You can take that to the bank."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zn134-KLL7Y

Maybe he means a federal reserve bank?

10-09-2010 , 05:02 PM

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BurningSquirrel

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Originally Posted by Nielsio

it is still his policy and he kinda did by now

in the real world some thinks turn out to be more difficult than expected.

10-09-2010 , 05:30 PM

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SenorKeeed

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But Obama's Iraq policy is simply an extension of Bush's existing policy. It isn't substantively different from what McCain's might have been.

10-09-2010 , 05:32 PM

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so the criteria for recieving the nobel peace price is being slightly less evil and oppressing than the precursor at the post?

Kind of. Arafat deserved his Prize even though he had done and went on to do lots of bad stuff.

10-09-2010 , 07:12 PM

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JMa

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Originally Posted by valenzuela

there was a time when they werent completely hijacked by politics and it could be taken seriously.

when was this? kissinger 1973 and im sure worse ppl have gotten it

10-09-2010 , 07:37 PM

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valenzuela

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I dont know it has been a joke since I have use of reason.

10-10-2010 , 02:39 PM

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GOD I love obama!!!

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