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02-23-2012 , 11:48 PM
Nice lol.

This comes to mind IMO:

02-23-2012 , 11:54 PM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
Btw it really needs to be repeated the woman is brain dead from falling to the ground, not the taser. That type of **** happens during physical confrontations and isn't unique to a taser
THIS

look im the last guy thats gonna apologize for cops but tazers etc are called "less lethal" for a reason, **** happens and it happend this time to this crazy bitch running away.
02-24-2012 , 01:16 AM
The food stealing story makes me want to pull my hair out. Semi-serious misconduct toward citizens is either ignored or swept under the rug reasonably often, but this guy gets criminal charges and a 30 day suspension for swiping food from the office fridge. WTF? This guy needs to get yelled at by his supervisor and have his balls busted by his coworkers about the incident for years to come, not get charged/suspended/put on the news.
02-24-2012 , 02:48 AM
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Originally Posted by DblBarrelJ
1) if you're of the opinion the chances if this happening are anything under the probabilies of getting struck by lightning while having sex with a porn star, you're insane.
You have to admit that's the definition of hyperbole. I would think a realistic # is between .004 and .007

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Originally Posted by CheckRaise
as someone who suffered a nasty head injury while handcuffed when i fell and landed forehead first on the pavement imo its total bull**** to tase someone while they're handcuffed and unable to control their fall. i was probably lucky to come out of it with only a huge gash (still have a bump below my hairline 6 years later) and a concussion, the combo of hangover + falling on my face led to the worst headache of my life the next day though.
You really think after reading this anecdote that it's that freakish of a result for this scenario?

If 200 times this exact scenario went down you really think it's ridiculous to guesstimate that one of them would end in a brain injury?

BTW my reaction was at least she got busted for Hitting and Running as opposed to a drug charge or something domestic. Surprised no one picked up on the irony that she also got hit after running - *rim shot

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Originally Posted by Adebisi
The food stealing story makes me want to pull my hair out. Semi-serious misconduct toward citizens is either ignored or swept under the rug reasonably often, but this guy gets criminal charges and a 30 day suspension for swiping food from the office fridge. WTF? This guy needs to get yelled at by his supervisor and have his balls busted by his coworkers about the incident for years to come, not get charged/suspended/put on the news.
Really? Cop should be fired IMO
02-24-2012 , 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by DodgerIrish
You have to admit that's the definition of hyperbole. I would think a realistic # is between .004 and .007
I dunno. It was hyperbole, but I'd say your probabilities seem a little high.

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Originally Posted by DodgerIrish
You really think after reading this anecdote that it's that freakish of a result for this scenario?
Well, it's too vastly different scenarios. CR very likely want in a state of seizure at that moment so I highly doubt his chest was locked out and his neck was locked up at that moment. Most people, because of the taser have their whole body rigid due to the electronically induced muscle seizure.

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Originally Posted by DodgerIrish
If 200 times this exact scenario went down you really think it's ridiculous to guesstimate that one of them would end in a brain injury?
Depends on your definition of "brain injury". A concussion, possibly. PVS? Unlikely in my opinion. I don't have exact numbers, but the tactic you witnessed in that tape is a reasonably common police tactic, and these injuries are very uncommon.

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Originally Posted by DodgerIrish
BTW my reaction was at least she got busted for Hitting and Running as opposed to a drug charge or something domestic. Surprised no one picked up on the irony that she also got hit after running - *rim shot
Can you explain what you mean by "something domestic"? If you're referring to what we refer to here in my state as "Family Violence" I'd have less sympathy for her than the current Hit & Run situation.

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Originally Posted by DodgerIrish
Really? Cop should be fired IMO
IDK about firing. I'm happy with the way this was handled personally. I could be wrong though, due to life experiences. Is it a standard thing in the corporate world to terminate employment for this type thing? If so, I'll agree with you. If not I stand by my feelings.
02-24-2012 , 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Adebisi
The food stealing story makes me want to pull my hair out. Semi-serious misconduct toward citizens is either ignored or swept under the rug reasonably often, but this guy gets criminal charges and a 30 day suspension for swiping food from the office fridge. WTF? This guy needs to get yelled at by his supervisor and have his balls busted by his coworkers about the incident for years to come, not get charged/suspended/put on the news.
The problem with your line here is an assumption that all police depts are the same. It's entirely possible that they don't sweep misconduct under the rug here.
02-24-2012 , 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Adebisi
The food stealing story makes me want to pull my hair out. Semi-serious misconduct toward citizens is either ignored or swept under the rug reasonably often, but this guy gets criminal charges and a 30 day suspension for swiping food from the office fridge. WTF? This guy needs to get yelled at by his supervisor and have his balls busted by his coworkers about the incident for years to come, not get charged/suspended/put on the news.
it will get pled down
02-24-2012 , 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by DblBarrelJ
IDK about firing. I'm happy with the way this was handled personally. I could be wrong though, due to life experiences. Is it a standard thing in the corporate world to terminate employment for this type thing? If so, I'll agree with you. If not I stand by my feelings.
I think this kind of conduct warrants firing regardless of whether the employer is public sector or private.

Bottom line is the guy can't be trusted.
02-24-2012 , 12:38 PM
Agree.

It's just a weird ****ing story.

Every dept works differently, but in general most of us pretty much stayed in the road so I'd imagine at a dept such as this the only people who's food would be in the fridge would be the last people you'd wanna get caught stealing from anyway.

Me, I kept my lunch and some of Chaz's treats in a cooler in my truck. Working for a Sheriff's Office I've seen inmates unattended while mopping and cleaning the staff dining area where the fridge was far too often to leave my food in there.
02-24-2012 , 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Aptronym
Bottom line is the guy can't be trusted.
I guess this sort of gets to the heart of the issue I have with this. This statement implies that this guy should/would be trusted if he didn't eat people's lunches. Personally, I don't really trust anyone beyond members of my immediate family and extremely close friends. For me the only question is how much damage gets done when a guy does something you expect him not to do. The damage done by eating his co-workers bologna sandwich is pretty damn minimal, so I think making any kind of big deal about it is really stupid. I wouldn't feel any less trust in this guy because of this incident, because I'd never place any trust in the guy to begin with. I'd assume there were certain lines he probably wouldn't cross, but this kind of thing doesn't even come close to getting near any of those lines.

Last edited by Adebisi; 02-24-2012 at 12:52 PM.
02-24-2012 , 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Aptronym
A few years back Grits posed the question, "Is babysitting while white reasonable suspicion for police questioning?" after my granddaughter and I were detained and questioned at length in my neighborhood on suspicion of some nefarious deed (it was never quite clear what). In that incident, the police were pretty clear I was stopped solely because Ty, like her mother (who came to live with my wife and me when she was a child) is black, while I'm an almost stereotypical looking white Texas redneck. At the time, Grits was amazed that three squad cars were dispatched to question me for walking down the street with a child of a different race, detaining me for no good reason and scaring the bejeezus out of then-two-year old Ty.

Last night, though, Ty and I got the full jump-out-boys treatment, making our earlier interaction with Austin PD seem downright quaint. It could only have been more ridiculous if they'd actually arrested me, which for a while there didn't seem out of the question. (This is a personal tale much more than a policy analysis, so if you're only interested in the latter, don't bother to read further.) ><snip><

http://gritsforbreakfast.blogspot.co...hite-part.html
Apparently some exaggeration on the part of this blogger. It doesn't look good for him that he is now asking the chief to not release video of the incident:

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APD Chief Art Acevedo fires back at Grits for Breakfast blogger Scott Henson

Wow. It has not been a good week for Austin Police Chief Art Acevedo. He just fired two officers in an incident where one of them slapped a suspect strapped to a gurney.

Now, Chief Acevedo is going mano y mano with local criminal justice critic Scott Henson, who writes for a blog called Grits for Breakfast.

Last Saturday, Henson detailed on his blog the events surrounding how he and his 5-year-old granddaughter were detained in East Austin. Henson is white and his granddaughter is black.

Henson was walking his granddaughter home from the Millennium Youth Entertainment Complex on Friday. Someone at the park called 911 and reported that a white man was chasing a black girl into the woods and trying to kidnap her.

Cops responded en masse to the area. They cuffed and questioned Henson before sorting his story out and realizing that the kidnapping call was bogus.

But Henson is a well known cop critic and he was mad. On Saturday, he posted a highly critical account of the incident, condemning the cops and their actions. He called it “Babysitting while white” and he accused the police officers of what amounts to racial profiling.

Henson also said that officers pulled Tasers on him.”The officers got out with tasers drawn demanding I raise my hands and step away from the child,” Henson said in his blog.

But Acevedo claims the video shows that no Tasers were involved and that Henson was lying to his readers.... ><snip><
02-24-2012 , 03:13 PM
I saw something about this. Were I that Chief I'd dump every email exchange regarding this back and forth to the media.
02-24-2012 , 03:30 PM
In fairness I guess I should also post the link to his rebuttal:

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News flash: Cop calls Grits a liar

Grits is a liar, says Austin Police Chief Art Acevedo! Go here to read why then come back here for, as Paul Harvey used to say, the rest of the story.

Let's start by quickly granting what was incorrect in my original post about getting stopped twice Friday night a week ago with my granddaughter on the way home from roller skating (an account which received, much to my surprise and without my assistance, an almost absurd amount of social media attention until eventually the Statesman picked it up). Throughout, with the chief's approbation, I declined comment.

Basically two things I wrote were flat-out wrong, both of which are detailed in an Update/Correction posted at the end of the original item on Friday. First, I recalled an officer pulling his taser out when in fact his hand hovered over his weapon but it remained holstered. After I finally got to see some of the video for myself, I posted a correction. I also posted another correction: I originally thought the deputy constable (the first officer who detained us) had called in the rest of the cavalry and assigned blame to her when I shouldn't. Turns out, she did the right thing and IMO it was APD who overreacted, an opinion which explains why the chief is mad.

What's still in dispute? Mostly red herrings. I never alleged police brutality nor misconduct.
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02-24-2012 , 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by DblBarrelJ
I saw something about this. Were I that Chief I'd dump every email exchange regarding this back and forth to the media.
But if you were the Chief it would be likely that your account would be the most accurate and fair.
02-24-2012 , 05:51 PM
It'd be the most accurate.

I'm not going to lie here and claim my account wouldn't bias toward my staff, but that's just my management style.
02-28-2012 , 03:20 AM
http://www.theagitator.com/2012/02/2...=Google+Reader

Muslim man assaults man wearing a Zombie Muhammad costume in a Pennsylvania parade.

Judge dismisses assault charge and browbeats the assault victim for being insensitive of the other fella's religious beliefs:

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Originally Posted by Judge Martin
In fact I have a copy of the Koran here and I challenge you sir to show me where it says in the Koran that Mohammad arose and walked among the dead. I think you misinterpreted things. Before you start mocking someone else’s religion you may want to find out a little bit more about it it makes you look like a dufus and Mr. (Defendant) is correct. In many Arabic speaking countries something like this is definitely against the law there. In their society in fact it can be punishable by death and it frequently is in their society . . .


Islam is not just a religion, it’s their culture, their culture. It’s their very essence their very being. [...]

Then what you have done is you have completely trashed their essence, their being. They find it very very very offensive. I’m a Muslim, I find it offensive. But you have that right, but you’re way outside your boundaries or first amendment rights. This is what, and I said I spent about 7 and a half years living in other countries. when we go to other countries it’s not uncommon for people to refer to us as ugly Americans this is why we are referred to as ugly Americans, because we are so concerned about our own rights we don’t care about other people’s rights as long as we get our say but we don’t care about the other people’s say.”
02-28-2012 , 06:35 AM
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Originally Posted by EricLindros
http://www.theagitator.com/2012/02/2...=Google+Reader

Muslim man assaults man wearing a Zombie Muhammad costume in a Pennsylvania parade.

Judge dismisses assault charge and browbeats the assault victim for being insensitive of the other fella's religious beliefs:
Wow. That's pretty horrible. I hope the prosecutor appealed this. How is this guy even a judge? Religious guy assaults you on tape because you did something to offend his god. Not guilty by reason of mouth breathing judge.
02-28-2012 , 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Adebisi
Wow. That's pretty horrible. I hope the prosecutor appealed this. How is this guy even a judge? Religious guy assaults you on tape because you did something to offend his god. Not guilty by reason of mouth breathing judge.
She shouldnt have been wearing such a short skirt
02-28-2012 , 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by vhawk01
She shouldnt have been wearing such a short skirt
If the victim even had an inkling of what a douchebag this judge was, he should have worn the zombie Mohammed costume into court.
02-28-2012 , 09:35 PM
Can we all just agree this one cop is awesome?

SC cop who lost his leg tries out for SWAT
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Originally Posted by PoliceOne
SPARTANBURG, S.C. — A Spartanburg Public Safety Officer who lost a leg in a crash passed a fitness test and may soon rejoin the SWAT team.

Less than a year ago Officer Keith Soules was hit on his way home from work and lost part of his leg, WSPA reported. He was fitted with a prosthetic and on Friday took a test in hopes of re-joining his department's SWAT team.

To pass, officers must "climb a rope, run a mile and a half in 12 minutes and 30 seconds or less, do pull ups, sit ups and push ups and pass a shooting component," according to the Spartanburg Herald-Journal. Amid cheers from his family and the man who fitted his prosthetic leg, Soules completed the run in 11 minutes and 25 seconds.

Captain Art Littlejohn recommended Soules rejoin, and early next week supervisors will give him the final OK. Littlejohn spoke of how inspiring it's been to watch Soules journey from crash victim to department records clerk to near-SWAT officer again.

"I knew he would do well," Littlejohn said. "I think he's an inspiration to everyone — that something like that can happen to you, and you don't have to stop."
02-28-2012 , 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by vhawk01
She shouldnt have been wearing such a short skirt
And a long....jacket? Seriously that is such a joke ruling, I guess I can do anything I want if I'm offended by someone, at least if I'm an oppressed misunderstood minority. I'm not though!

@DBJ: That guy is indeed awesome and badass. I have to say that mile and a half run sounds like a nice leisurely jog to me though.
02-29-2012 , 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by EricLindros
http://www.theagitator.com/2012/02/2...=Google+Reader

Muslim man assaults man wearing a Zombie Muhammad costume in a Pennsylvania parade.

Judge dismisses assault charge and browbeats the assault victim for being insensitive of the other fella's religious beliefs:

So that I'm Fair & Balanced™ (I report, you decide), Judge Martin has responded:

Here: http://volokh.com/2012/02/25/zombie-...udge-responds/

And here: http://volokh.com/2012/02/27/more-fr...cident-on-cnn/

Judge Martin claims he is not a Muslim and that he didn't just didn't find enough evidence to convict. (The audio tape of the court recording has him saying, "I am a Muslim..." around the 31 minute mark, but people are guessing that he might have just been using that turn of phrase as a rhetorical device).

Still seems like a shady dismissal and inappropriate to lecture the alleged assaultee on religious tolerance.
02-29-2012 , 01:58 PM
Before tasers how would that cop have stopped the girl? Bullet through the head?
02-29-2012 , 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Brons
Before tasers how would that cop have stopped the girl? Bullet through the head?
He might have had to run. Think of the potential dry cleaning bills due to sweat on his uniform! Tasers savin your taxpayer dollars IMO.
02-29-2012 , 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Brons
Before tasers how would that cop have stopped the girl? Bullet through the head?
He would've tackled her, probably broken a few ribs, with her cuffed behind the back dislocated shoulder also seems likely just judging by the size difference.

      
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