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Honestly I'm impressed by that story. The dude was arrested, suspended WITHOUT pay, and the captain straight threw him to the wolves. If only officers would get so harshly punished more often.

Gotta be careful who you unnecessarily kill. Poor black kid? No biggie. Cute puppy dog? GTFO

06-22-2014 , 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by vhawk01

Gotta be careful who you unnecessarily kill. Poor black kid? No biggie. Cute puppy dog? GTFO

I almost ended that post with "If only officers would get so harshly punished when they do that to poor black kids."

But I wanted to preserve the illusion of hope in the post

06-24-2014 , 03:53 PM

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"Weapons of war have no place on our streets."

http://news.yahoo.com/as-wars-wind-d...iacontentstory

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/t...united-states/

06-25-2014 , 03:01 AM

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http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/58...olice.html.csp

Police searching a neighborhood for a missing 3 year old boy, so naturally they're just entering everyone's yard randomly without permission, mowing down whatever dog gets in their way. No discipline or anything LDO.

The kid was found in his own basement. Funny, you think they would have looked there, but that was significantly less likely to produce dog corpses I guess.

06-25-2014 , 09:40 AM

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A girl I know was stopped at a road block, err check point a couple nights ago. The gestapo, err state highway patrol gave her a DUI and she blew .04. When she protested she was told there was no "under the limit" anymore, having a drink then driving is still driving under the influence of alcohol. The penalties aren't as severe, she will probably lose her license for 2 weeks and pay about a $500 dollar fine when she goes to court, but it's still a DUI. WTF? Between this bs and outlawing smoking in bars I wonder why there are 84 less liquor permits in the state than there were 5 years ago. Oh and just for an extra slap in the face she was given a ticket for nonworking license plate light. Merica.

Pics of friend or ban imo

Also she should have just refused to blow

06-25-2014 , 09:42 AM

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Refusing to blow is an auto dui like penalty tho.

06-25-2014 , 10:55 AM

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It depends on the state. I don't think they can ever convict on DUI without the BAC level unless they have video of the person and that person is obviously drunk. Refusal to blow in and of itself can be a crime but probably not DUI specifically.

06-25-2014 , 10:58 AM

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ACLU's year long study of the militarization of US police forces released:

https://www.aclu.org/sites/default/f...t-web-rel1.pdf

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62% of SWAT deployments are for drug searches

FINDING #1
Policing—particularly through the use of paramilitary teams—in the United States today has become excessively militarized, mainly through federal programs that create incentives for state and local police to use unnecessarily aggressive weapons and tactics designed for the battlefield.

FINDING #2
The militarization of policing in the United States has occurred with almost no public oversight.

FINDING #3
SWAT teams were often deployed—unnecessarily and aggressively—to execute search warrants in low-level drug investigations; deployments for hostage or barricade scenarios occurred in only a small number of incidents.

FINDING #4
The use of paramilitary weapons and tactics primarily impacted people of color; when paramilitary tactics were used in drug searches, the primary targets were people of color, whereas when paramilitary tactics were used in hostage or barricade scenarios, the primary targets were white.

FINDING #5
SWAT deployments often and unnecessarily entailed the use of violent tactics and equipment, including APCs; use of violent tactics and equipment was shown to increase the risk of bodily harm and property damage.

Reform must be systemic; the problems of overly aggressive policing are cultural and cannot be solved by merely identifying a few “bad apples” or dismissing the problem as a few isolated incidents.

Militarization of policing encourages officers to adopt a “warrior” mentality and think of the people they are supposed to serve as enemies.

06-26-2014 , 05:56 PM

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WTF

http://m.washingtonpost.com/news/the...-records-laws/

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As it turns out, a number of SWAT teams in the Bay State are operated by what are called law enforcement councils, or LECs. These LECs are funded by several police agencies in a given geographic area and overseen by an executive board, which is usually made up of police chiefs from member police departments.

.....

Some of these LECs have also apparently incorporated as 501(c)(3) organizations. And it's here that we run into problems. According to the ACLU, the LECs are claiming that the 501(c)(3) status means that they're private corporations, not government agencies. And therefore, they say they're immune from open records requests. Let's be clear. These agencies oversee police activities. They employ cops who carry guns, wear badges, collect paychecks provided by taxpayers and have the power to detain, arrest, injure and kill. They operate SWAT teams, which conduct raids on private residences. And yet they say that because they've incorporated, they're immune to Massachusetts open records laws. The state's residents aren't permitted to know how often the SWAT teams are used, what they're used for, what sort of training they get or who they're primarily used against.

06-26-2014 , 05:59 PM

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I wonder if that would remove their qualified immunity

06-27-2014 , 09:23 AM

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http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2...beanbag-rounds

cop shoots 95 year old guy five times.

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The elderly man had refused medical treatment for a urinary tract infection, and reportedly became belligerent. Police who were called to the scene fired a Taser that failed to hit Wrana, and then shot him with bean-bag rounds fired from a shotgun. He died hours later of internal bleeding, authorities said.

Though Wrana was infirm and needed a walker or a cane to get around, police considered him armed and dangerous. They said he brandished a cane, a knife and a 2-foot-long metal shoehorn that some officers initially took for a machete.

odds that the "knife" was a cafeteria butterknife?

06-27-2014 , 09:57 AM

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Cops in Tampa forcibly break into an unoccupied vehicle when a drug dog alerts on it.

Cops find nothing.

Cops leave a note. "SORRY!"

Apparently it's perfectly legal.

http://wild941.cbslocal.com/2014/06/...4th-amendment/

06-27-2014 , 10:03 AM

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Case is made up, no way does a cop ever say sorry.

06-27-2014 , 10:10 AM

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I made up the "sorry" part, story just said they left a note. It probably read, "LOLU"

06-27-2014 , 10:13 AM

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Considering how many studies have shown drug dogs are completely ineffective and high biased towards handler-pleasing, it's amazing nobody has gotten a challenge up to SCOTUS yet.

06-27-2014 , 12:29 PM

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Considering how many studies have shown drug dogs are completely ineffective and high biased towards handler-pleasing, it's amazing nobody has gotten a challenge up to SCOTUS yet.

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In addition, a study conducted by researchers at the University of California at Davis, and published in January, states unequivocally that “handler beliefs affect scent detection dog outcomes,” and that detector dogs are cued by their handlers 85% of the time.

"Well he sat there blankly, that's the signal."

06-27-2014 , 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by pvn

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2...beanbag-rounds

cop shoots 95 year old guy five times.

odds that the "knife" was a cafeteria butterknife?

How do you simultaneously brandish a knife, a cane, and a giant shoehorn? Was it a sword-cane? (Or less likely, a shoehorn-cane?) Did he brandish the knife for a bit, put it down, then brandish the shoehorn? Was he juggling all three in the old-folks home talent show?

06-28-2014 , 03:17 PM

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"Well he sat there blankly, that's the signal."

I know a horse who can do arithmetic

06-28-2014 , 03:22 PM

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I know a horse who can do arithmetic

When I was little, my uncle was a clown. He had a little dog that he used in his act, and everybody loved the little thing. It's "big trick" was it that it could do math and then bark that many times.

So in practice, it would go like this: "What is 2+5?" And the dog would start barking. And it barked seven times! The audience always loved it. OMG the dog is so smart it knows math!

Of course, the dog would just bark until my uncle gave him the subtle hand signal to stop. I never understood how people didn't realize this.

/cool story bro

06-28-2014 , 04:26 PM

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Google clever hans

06-28-2014 , 04:29 PM

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Yup pretty much exactly that. That's what I see in these drug-dog cases when I watch videos, too.

07-03-2014 , 02:47 PM

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My neighbor is a cop. He asked if my 17 year old daughter would be interested in a job riding around in an unmarked car with a female cop going to conveniece stores trying to buy cigarettes. WTF? I thought. If there's nothing better for a cop to do than try to bust clerks for selling 17 year olds cigarettes I think it's time to start with lay offs!! The people who get in the most trouble is some minimum wage clerk who will lose his job and have a criminal record. Keep serving and protecting.