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07-12-2017 , 12:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Original Position
I'm skeptical that a Bernie-style candidate would be more successful in a general over what the Democrats currently do in WV. But my main argument is that even if I grant that, it still wouldn't be enough to match the advantage incumbency gives Manchin in the general. Incumbency is more powerful than ideology in the general, and in WV we don't have enough margin to give up that advantage.
You may well be right about incumbency. I'm not particularly worried about speculating about it here though. I don't think anyone in West Virginia is listening to me. I'm not going to donate to the West Virginian who primaries Manchin.
07-12-2017 , 12:46 AM
That thread was bonkers.
07-12-2017 , 12:58 AM
I thought it was interesting in the interview that Manchin identified specifically as a "West Virginia Democrat," even at one point correcting Cenk. I get the sense that WV politics is basically about coal and identity politics. It doesn't seem to me that an environmental progressive would fare well. I think Clinton's poor primary performance in WV had something to do with her statements about putting coal miners out of work or w/e the gaffe was, considering she won every surrounding state.
07-12-2017 , 01:04 AM
http://www.thedailybeast.com/the-men...er&via=desktop

This forum's greatest contribution to my life has been following that DPRK news on twitter and here's an article I saw about the people who run it
07-12-2017 , 01:10 AM
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Originally Posted by AllTheCheese
I thought it was interesting in the interview that Manchin identified specifically as a "West Virginia Democrat," even at one point correcting Cenk. I get the sense that WV politics is basically about coal and identity politics. It doesn't seem to me that an environmental progressive would fare well. I think Clinton's poor primary performance in WV had something to do with her statements about putting coal miners out of work or w/e the gaffe was, considering she won every surrounding state.
Meh. West Virginia is very different than the states to the North and East and they were less than half a point apart in Kentucky.
07-12-2017 , 01:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Chips Ahoy
widespread use of primary challenges is an excellent idea. Politicians respond to credible threats to losing their jobs, without those threats they are free to pursue their own interests. Like making <big donor> happy. Most seats are safe so primaries are the only way for the voters to cause internal party changes.

Dianne Feinstein (D, CA) is the prototype of who to primary. The more radical the challenger the better.
Cosign this post but I think it's a terrible idea to use on Manchin in WV, because...

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Originally Posted by microbet
I think West Virginia is anti-centrist and would rather have Bernie Sanders than Hillary Clinton or Mitt Romney.
...the real question is would they rather have Bernie Sanders than Donald Trump and I'm pretty sure the answer is "no"
07-12-2017 , 04:03 AM


Cool youtoob that helped me understand energy a bit and makes me so excited for electric cars.
07-12-2017 , 07:10 AM
hey guys, quick question: what are the roots of the whole "special snowflake" rhetorics? I know it's kinda meaningless by now, but isn't it a little backwards? It was always right-wingers who preach individuality, and want to reward it economically, while left-wing values collectivism and wants economy to take care of non-outstanding citizens.

Or is it just "you liberals only THINK you are unique/brilliant/outstanding, but we ACTUALLY ARE"?

only asking this because there is no such rethoric in my country (then again, our equivalent of conservative party is heavily pro-social, so our politics are very different)
07-12-2017 , 08:49 AM
It started as old people absurdly claiming that the younger generation is coddled and lazy, then expanded to an active attack against anyone who called out bigotry.
07-12-2017 , 08:55 AM
I thought it started as a blatant mischaracterization of safe spaces, much like how 'all lives matter' started as a blatant mischaracterization of blm
07-12-2017 , 09:48 AM
Question especially for lawyers:

I know other people's dreams are really boring, but anyway I just woke up from a dream where I was standing and holding a unicycle. A guy came by and asked to try it and I let him. Then he just ran off with it and weirdly attached it to a car driving by. I chased him. I couldn't catch him, but I yelled to a passing motorcyclist "that guy stole my unicycle!!" The motorcyclist cut the guy off and I caught up to him. The motorcyclist, me, and a whole crowd detained him, without injuring him. I called the police and described what happened, telling them I was detaining him, and then thought and said, "uh, is that ok?"

I'm in California if that matters.

Is it ok to detain a unicycle thief? My thought is yes, but the cop on the phone in the dream wasn't very reassuring.

(No, I don't have or ride unicycles. I cleaned up a few nonsensical dream details, like the unicycle not consistently being a unicycle. )

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07-12-2017 , 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Question especially for lawyers:...
I'm not a lawyer. But I can quote the journal of record of the state. But "fake news" abounds, I hear. FWIW...

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Originally Posted by LA Times
Ask Laz Here's when you can make a citizen's arrest

... In California, Penal Code Section 837 states that "a private person may arrest another: (1) For a public offense committed or attempted in his presence. (2) When the person arrested has committed a felony, although not in his presence. (3) When a felony has been in fact committed, and he has reasonable cause for believing the person arrested to have committed it."

So the bottom line is that if you see a crime -- any crime -- you can do something about it. And if it's a felony at issue, then do as you please...
07-12-2017 , 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by microbet
I misspoke or really just didn't type some things I was thinking, but you're extremely tiresome to engage with, so forget it.
07-12-2017 , 11:41 AM
Guys help me out here.

I run a regional mental health office (for now, am actively seeking alternative employment) and my supervisor / the director visited today. She and I don't get along well, it's a long story.

Initially when I was hired & things were good I had offered to clean the office as opposed to hiring someone. I've been hand wiping toilets, sinks, mopping, etc. I also assembled furniture and effectively opened up shop here. We're now at 7 employees and I'm still doing it. Today I got an email while she stepped out stating we were going to discuss the cleanliness of the office; she highlighted various things that weren't clean enough, primarily the bathroom.

She also said she moved the trashcan in the kitchen and found a dead snake (?!) curled up underneath it, and used this as further evidence of my inadequate performance of janitorial duties.

Now IDK about you, but I ****ing hate snakes and I'm feeling kinda gaslit that a supervisor's response to finding snakes in an office is strictly using it as evidence of poor cleanliness. Am I unreasonable to feel uncomfortable working in a 900 sqft office space that's potentially infested by snakes? Do snakes lap up dried piss in bathrooms and as such are evidence of cleanliness? Is it normal or reasonable to respond to finding snakes in a regional office you oversee to criticize the regional manager's attention to cleanliness and janitorial duties?

I meet with her in an hour or so. I plan to rescind my offer to clean this place as it's never been thanked and now's a reason to criticize my performance, but I'm not entirely how to respond to her use of discovering snakes as a criticism. I'm frankly heated that there's zero indication of the snake itself being a workplace condition she / the agency should take steps to resolve, and instead that it's seen as 100% evidence of a separate problem that I'm responsible for rectifying.
07-12-2017 , 11:50 AM
I agree that the cleanliness of the office has suffered recently, I still try to make time to clean when I can but [current work project] is taking up so much of my time that I rarely have any spare moments. You're totally right that it's an issue an I'm happy to look into hiring a cleaner/cleaning company to get things sorted.
07-12-2017 , 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by tomdemaine
I agree that the cleanliness of the office has suffered recently, I still try to make time to clean when I can but [current work project] is taking up so much of my time that I rarely have any spare moments. You're totally right that it's an issue an I'm happy to look into hiring a cleaner/cleaning company to get things sorted.
Well put.

How should I address the snake stuff, if at all?
07-12-2017 , 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by DudeImBetter
Well put.

How should I address the snake stuff, if at all?
Are you trying to score a point or are you genuinely concerned about snakes in the office? The first? Drop it, points are for the pointless. The second, be honest. Snakes are pretty scary and it's reasonable to want some reassurance that they're not taking over the office.
07-12-2017 , 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by tomdemaine
Are you trying to score a point or are you genuinely concerned about snakes in the office? The first? Drop it, points are for the pointless. The second, be honest. Snakes are pretty scary and it's reasonable to want some reassurance that they're not taking over the office.
Also sound advice, and I admit it's like 60% #1.

Lastly - Am I nuts? Like how unreasonable is it 1 thru 10 to find a f***ing snake in an office and see that exclusively as 1) evidence of a cleanliness issue, as opposed to 2) you know, a workplace conditions issue that the company should take immediate steps to rectify?

Last I checked snakes don't lap up dried piss on bathroom floors, so I'm not entirely sure how it gets lumped in with cleanliness concerns. What it IS direct irrefutable evidence of is a justified concern of snake infestation, which has been utterly ignored to this point.
07-12-2017 , 12:13 PM
I mean, you should worried about whatever it is that's killing the snakes in your office.
07-12-2017 , 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
I mean, you should worried about whatever it is that's killing the snakes in your office.
She said it was a baby snake that she found crushed under the kitchen garbage can. I'm thinking I must have lifted it up when taking out the garbage then inadvertently crushed it when I put it back down? Again, kinda disconcerting to think there's snakes chilling here that I'm inadvertently crushing while going about my business, and that baby snakes aren't stork-delivered and come in large numbers.
07-12-2017 , 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by DudeImBetter
Also sound advice, and I admit it's like 60% #1.

Lastly - Am I nuts? Like how unreasonable is it 1 thru 10 to find a f***ing snake in an office and see that exclusively as 1) evidence of a cleanliness issue, as opposed to 2) you know, a workplace conditions issue that the company should take immediate steps to rectify?
I'm not sure, do you work on a plane?
07-12-2017 , 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by DudeImBetter
Guys help me out here... I plan to rescind my offer to clean this place as it's never been thanked and now's a reason to criticize my performance...
That's not how it works, unless you have an contract that spells out your job description. As far as the bosses are concerned you volunteered to add snake removal duties to your job description. And they don't really care, because they can change your job description at will, and so sure... you wanna stop volunteering, we'll just start ordering.

You can try to talk them into hiring a service/etc, sure. But, just because they considered that before, doesn't mean they gotta do it now. If you just unilaterally declare you ain't doing snake removal duty, they can just as easily give you the boot for insubordination. Not like they need a reason, anyways.
07-12-2017 , 12:48 PM
No good deed goes unpunished.
07-12-2017 , 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Shame Trolly !!!1!
That's not how it works, unless you have an contract that spells out your job description. As far as the bosses are concerned you volunteered to add snake removal duties to your job description. And they don't really care, because they can change your job description at will, and so sure... you wanna stop volunteering, we'll just start ordering.

You can try to talk them into hiring a service/etc, sure. But, just because they considered that before, doesn't mean they gotta do it now. If you just unilaterally declare you ain't doing snake removal duty, they can just as easily give you the boot for insubordination. Not like they need a reason, anyways.
God that's dire as hell but might be 100% accurate. Any grounds to contest the bolded?

I mean there's gotta be OSHA or labor laws or SOMETHING related to work environments, right? I mean you can't tell me if an office space gets infested by snakes that the owner can merely instruct staff to de-snake the space or face termination...if so, damn. **** this country.
07-12-2017 , 01:23 PM
I get irritated at the Aaron Sorkin youtube screen writing ad every time I see it because I start lots of sentences with 'damn it.'

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