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09-28-2015 , 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by FoldnDark
I don't know exactly what the school was thinking or what the kid told them, but it just isn't that surprising at all that this would go down eventually with the climate in our country. Schools want to prevent massacres. Parents demand they be proactive. What policies would you have them change that wouldn't simply be changed back after the next massacre? Maybe all schools should be required to have a bomb expert on campus to decide what is and isn't suspicious. Until that funding is approved, we may have a kid detained and released every few years. It's sad but true.
Kids get in trouble for faking bomb threats all the time. It's happened more than once at my kid's school. The intent of the kid is very relevant.

If a kid builds a clock and it looks like a clock and he says it's a clock, then any reasonable person should understand that it's a clock.
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09-28-2015 , 02:27 PM
This "it was obviously not a bomb, and only a moron who watches too many movies would question it," rhetoric makes no sense. How many people here would stake their lives and the lives of children they're entrusted to protect on their expertise at eliminating the possiblity that case with a bunch of electronics and a digital read out is a bomb? No, hopefully, with our schools' recent history of attacks and current policies in place everyone would err on the side of caution and ask questions until they are satisfied.

Why they weren't satisfied with the kids responses is the main issue in my mind. I assume there was some racism involved, but I'm not prepared to come down on a bunch of concerned teachers, school officials and police for doing what they thought was most prudent without knowing the full story. The proposed solution of just be less racist and stupid is a silly simplification and solves nothing, imo.
09-28-2015 , 02:30 PM
I think it's only fair for Obama to give that white kid with the Pop-Tart gun a free trip to the White House and a swag bag from Smith and Wesson.
09-28-2015 , 02:31 PM
Also, lol movie bombs.
09-28-2015 , 02:31 PM
who confiscates something they actually think is a bomb?

also

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Ralph Kubiak, Mohamed's seventh-grade history teacher, said that Mohammed was known to have dabbled in electronics in middle school, pranking the classroom projector with a hand-made remote control, and that he also built a jerry-rigged battery charger."
definitely not a known dabbler
09-28-2015 , 02:36 PM
For some reason 2p2 is working at my work today. Weird. Anywhere he's a couple more points:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mW4w0Y1OXE

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“I closed it [the pencil box] with a cable, because I didn’t want to unlock it to make it seem like a threat, so I just used a simple cable, so it won’t look that much suspicious.”
So he was definitely aware of the possibility that this thing might be perceived as something suspicious and "like a threat". Why else would a pencil box be a threat?

Kid goes on Larry Wilmore and says it was kind of cool to be arrested, yet family is suing for emotional distress.

Yeah I know NRO, but I assume they aren't just making up the quote:

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Appearing on HBO’s Real Time with Bill Maher on Friday, Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban offered a strange detail from his telephone conversation with Ahmed:

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I talked to the kid. He’s from Dallas, and I’ve talked to the people in the school district. The kid is a super smart kid. Science geek. We talked about science, but while I’m talking to him on the phone, as I ask him a question, “Tell me what happened because I’m curious.” Right? His sister, over his shoulder, you could hear, listening to the question, giving him the answer.
Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner...ive-ian-tuttle
http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...-on-earth.html

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fter the MSNBC segment, Eyman and I sit down in the hallway where she says the same thing happened to her as Ahmed.

“I got suspended from school for three days from this stupid same district, from this girl saying I wanted to blow up the school, something I had nothing to do with.”

Eyman talks with the slightest lisp, almost imperceptible, but it becomes stronger as she gets emotional.

“I got suspended and I didn’t do anything about it and so when I heard about Ahmed, I was so mad because it happened to me and I didn’t get to stand up, so I’m making sure he’s standing up because it’s not right. So I’m not jealous, I’m kinda like—it’s like he’s standing for me.”
09-28-2015 , 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by FoldnDark
This "it was obviously not a bomb, and only a moron who watches too many movies would question it," rhetoric makes no sense. How many people here would stake their lives and the lives of children they're entrusted to protect on their expertise at eliminating the possiblity that case with a bunch of electronics and a digital read out is a bomb? No, hopefully, with our schools' recent history of attacks and current policies in place everyone would err on the side of caution and ask questions until they are satisfied.
If there's a suspected bomb then you evacuate the building and call the authorities. There's no middle ground where you think it might be a bomb enough to do something but don't believe it is enough to treat it like a real bomb.

That's how it is in the UK anyway. if it's different in the USA then I don't get it.
09-28-2015 , 02:39 PM
Suzzer was the guy who heard about astroturfers and then found them under every low post count rock. Buying into clock-gate is absolutely standard for him.
09-28-2015 , 02:42 PM
his sister was helping him answer, as though she thought his every single word would be incredibly and overly scrutinized on every media website in the entire country, which then happened?

wow, she is smart
09-28-2015 , 02:47 PM
Story is basically perfect for internet politard fighting. There isn't enough actual info out there about what happened so everyone can make up his own story. Want to believe he was a 14 year old jackass who built this thing and then was joking with his jackass buddies in the hallway that it's the bomb, yo then proceed. Want to believe if it was a white kid the teachers would have been all "Tee hee you little scamp" then you can head down that road too. I, for one, say **** this kid and his ****ty pencil box clock. He should get a job.
09-28-2015 , 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by bobman0330
If you can predict that everyone who doesn't post on Chiefsplanet will think a new view of yours is proof that you are a racist idiot, not posting it is a great start, but you should also consider not believing it at all, shouldn't you?

I mean, let's be real here. We all know you're not going to come out with proof that this clock was actually a bomb, or that the kid intentionally used it as a prop in a hoax that a reasonable person would interpret as a true threat. It's definitely going to be an argument that the kid is actually a Race Hustler/Outside Agitator/No Angel. You're smart enough and cultured enough not to use those terms (and definitely not the term "good Muslim"), but the guy on CP who sourced this theory and who is always calling Obama a monkey (not as a racial thing, you understand, just as a general term of abuse) probably will. But before we get all bogged down in the political philosophy and bona fides of this 14-year-old kid, why does it matter? What "things" does it change? You seem to concede that the police had no cause to arrest him. Does it matter whether the police arrested him because he was a brown kid in possession of circuitry or whether it was because he had some political agenda? There are rules here. The police clearly violated them, and this kid is a victim of that violation. As far as I can tell, you don't even disagree with any of that. It almost makes the story worse if some kid was able to bamboozle the entire school disciplinary and criminal justice apparatus into victimizing him on cue just by carrying around a reassembled clock.
So it's not cool to express opinions, even if massively qualified as "if I had to bet", unless a) we have an arrestable standard or proof behind them or b) if it doesn't change anything. Got it.
09-28-2015 , 02:58 PM
Let's be very very clear. His sister was suspended because someone else said she said something about blowing up the school, which she denied happened. IE she admitted someone lied about her because of her faith and she received no benefit of the doubt because of her faith. She was suspended for three days.

This doesn't strengthen the "took a clock to school and told everyone it was a clock to get arrested... on purpose" story. Its just another Muslim being railroaded on no evidence and clearly no one took the claim seriously.

Other than this literally nothing has changed. He reassembled a clock, always said it was a clock, it had no non clock parts, no one actually thought it was a bomb ever and the police over reaction putting him in cuffs like he is a dangerous criminal was a ****ing huge overreaction.

Anyone who claim more might be happening here is a ****ing idiot. There is zero evidence of that.
09-28-2015 , 03:01 PM
Can we call the containment thread "Clock Boy Begins"?
09-28-2015 , 03:03 PM
Clock Rockin' Beats imo.
09-28-2015 , 03:05 PM
Or Clock Fakes and Hot Takes.
09-28-2015 , 03:06 PM
the clock boy we deserve
09-28-2015 , 03:08 PM
A Clock Too Far for my Airborne homies.
09-28-2015 , 03:08 PM
Allahu Clockbar
09-28-2015 , 03:12 PM
Dr. Clocklove: Or How I Came To Love The Pencil Box Bomb.
09-28-2015 , 03:12 PM
That one might be a little too gay pornish tbh.
09-28-2015 , 03:14 PM
Clock and Load
09-28-2015 , 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Can we call the containment thread "Clock Boy Begins"?






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Originally Posted by 2/325Falcon
A Clock Too Far for my Airborne homies.






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Originally Posted by ALLTheCookies
Allahu Clockbar
These are the best imo
09-28-2015 , 03:18 PM
Barackin' Around the Clock.
Time Bomb.

That's all I got.
09-28-2015 , 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by bobman0330
The guys at the lunch counter were actually breaking the law. Much more reasonable for them to be arrested.
Wow that was a quick pivot from hey "you low-info racist" to "well yeah maybe the kid brought a clock purposely to instigate something to point out double standards/social injustice".

I'm not necessarily against the kid purposely bringing a clock to point out the double standard. But it does speak to why he might be less than forthcoming and come off as suspicious with the school and the cops - if part of his motivation is to provoke a reaction.
09-28-2015 , 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Dids
Suzzer was the guy who heard about astroturfers and then found them under every low post count rock. Buying into clock-gate is absolutely standard for him.
And then it turned out their were astroturfers who even admitted to it like RedBean, but you continued undeterred like it never happened.
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