Al Gore rigged it so he can make a global ice age movie and win another Nobel obv.

Oh please, there are plenty of scientists who don't buy into the current global warming dogma. It's more of a political movement than an environmental movement which should say a lot.

The docu "The Great Global Warming Swindle" - explains this well.
http://www.garagetv.be/video-galerij...tary_Film.aspx

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The docu "The most discredited documentary in the history of TV" - explains this well.


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Obviously due to Obama being elected.

Cool cherrypicking bro.

From the article:

Like I've said before in this thread, drawing conclusions from a single season of data is just laughable. Feel free to post when the trend reverses itself.

It's not cherry picking at all, DUCY?



What I find laughable is your cherry picking:

Oh yeah Dr. Patrick Michaels is an oil company tool as well.

Answer one simple question, is it good news or not?

More accurately, he's a coal company tool.

Right now, it's just more data in a series of very noisy data. If this is the turning point where the global temperature stabilizes and the ice anomaly trend reverses itself, then it's good news. Unfortunately, it's highly unlikely that this is the case.

It is only marginally better news than the fact that it is colder now in Boston than it was this afternoon. The opposite is true as well, increased yearly melting is not really bad news either. Both have very little impact on whether MMGW is happening.

No, the opposite.

You see, since there is so much open water in the arctic (thanks to all the ice melting) then it will freeze over faster when winter comes. I haven't checked, but I'd be willing to bet that last years recovery from the summer sea ice minimum was also setting records for pace of freezing and it didn't keep this summer season from being the second lowest minimum ever recorded.

But nice try.

Losing even one storied ice shelf is one too many...

You must love making **** up. Any source for this info other than a blog? Here's a source:

http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/s_plot.html

What exactly do you think I'm making up? And why are you giving me a link to Southern sea ice anomalies when we're talking about the Northern hemisphere?

Appears my guess was right. Look at the recovery from last year's arctic minimum. It's pretty much the same thing we're seeing now, though this year's growth is more rapid, but not by much. I'm sure this in part due to open water, but you do need the cool weather too.

Here's a contributing factor:

Giant Asian smog cloud masks warming impact: U.N.

A three-kilometer thick cloud of brown soot and other pollutants hanging over Asia is darkening cities, killing thousands and damaging crops but may be holding off the worst effects of global warming, the U.N. said on Thursday.

The vast plume of contamination from factories, fires, cars and deforestation contains some particles that reflect sunlight away from the earth, cutting its ability to heat the earth.

"One of the impacts of this atmospheric brown cloud has been to mask the true nature of global warming on our planet," United Nations Environment Program head Achim Steiner said at the launch in Beijing of a new report on the phenomenon.

So we need more smog to save us?

Things look pretty normal to be in the Acrtic. I am not a climate scientist, but this does not look like the end of the world:

http://igloo.atmos.uiuc.edu/cgi-bin/...&sd=16&sy=2008

I'm not a climate scientist either but that looks pretty bad to me. Both concentration and extent are noticeably lower in the 2008 image.

BUT

As I (and others) have repeated over and over in this thread, comparing daily (or even seasonal) data is a terrible way to try and determine whether warming is occurring. A much better way to make this determination is to do statistical analysis of all the data at our disposal. Many posts in this thread have contained just such analysis.

I looked at the chart again and I am not sure what you are seeing I am not. Looks about the same when you take away the snow.

I grew up in Miami and was there July 4th. The pier I walked when I was a kid 25 years ago looks the same. You'd think we'd see some tidal rise by now. Might be simplistic. I don't know. Nobody seemed too panicked down there.

8/10, solid gimmick, had me fooled.

Sea Ice Ends Year at Same Level as 1979

Thanks to a rapid rebound in recent months, global sea ice levels now equal those seen 29 years ago, when the year 1979 also drew to a close.

Ice levels had been tracking lower throughout much of 2008, but rapidly recovered in the last quarter.

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Earlier this year, predictions were rife that the North Pole could melt entirely in 2008. Instead, the Arctic ice saw a substantial recovery.

Why were predictions so wrong? Researchers had expected the newer sea ice, which is thinner, to be less resilient and melt easier. Instead, the thinner ice had less snow cover to insulate it from the bitterly cold air, and therefore grew much faster than expected, according to the National Snow and Ice Data Center.

In May, concerns over disappearing sea ice led the U.S. to officially list the polar bear a threatened species, over objections from experts who claimed the animal's numbers were increasing.

Italics added for emphasis. Shall we reconsider the endangered status of Polar Bears now since their numbers actually are increasing?

Un-ban The Snowflake.

Polar bear population has been increasing for the last 30 years since they started measuring.

You wouldn't be saying this if you didn't hate polar bears.

Psh!
2009 the "Year of Climate Change"
http://www.gmagazine.com.au/news/989...climate-change
No amount of pointing out the bull**** of prior predictions of the global warming alarmists is going to stop the UN from expanding its ability to regulate and tax the production of resources across the globe.

If it wasn't for fears of global warming and the central banking induced economic collapse, what would be the populist reason given to the masses for the need and expansion of global government? But, I'm sure all these things just happen organically, world government by and for the people right? They aren't organized and planned by esoteric groups/alliances of people at the top of the political and economic power centers of the world... that would just be crazy.

I've looked at the data and talked to some of the top people in the field and I think there is a good chance global warming is man made (less than 2:1 though since there really is no great theoretical arguments either way). If it is obviously BS to you, you are either wrong or much smarter than me. Of course you could still be wrong and global warming still could not be man made.