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04-21-2011 , 06:52 PM
Let's try this again.

http://youtu.be/t4hjO1ak4_M

Summary: I'm still watching it, but it's Roderick Long, Professor of Philosophy at Auburn University talking about how to reach common ground with "leftists", primarily with regard to economic issues.
04-21-2011 , 07:02 PM
The LC thread is there for a reason. Such as posting youtube vids of ACists.
04-21-2011 , 07:05 PM
Best way to deal with the left is get them high on Pot and tell them ALL the pop tarts and cheetohs were shipped to Canada where they'd get free healthcare too.
04-21-2011 , 07:10 PM
Bomb them imo.
04-21-2011 , 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by [Phill]
The LC thread is there for a reason. Such as posting youtube vids of ACists.
I was under the impression that "low-content" is a subjective standard...on that note, I find the notion of reaching common ground to be anything but "low-content".

You're free to disagree, of course.
04-21-2011 , 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by KingLeonidas
Best way to deal with the left is get them high on Pot and tell them ALL the pop tarts and cheetohs were shipped to Canada where they'd get free healthcare too.
04-21-2011 , 07:11 PM
Or just bomb Apple and the Prius plant instead and break their will to live.
04-21-2011 , 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by 2/325Falcon
Or just bomb Apple and the Prius plant instead and break their will to live.
Dont forget the PBR distributors.
04-21-2011 , 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by KingLeonidas
Best way to deal with the left is get them high on Pot and tell them ALL the pop tarts and cheetohs were shipped to Canada where they'd get free healthcare too.
Yeah, I guess you're right...we'll all be better off if we continue to bicker with each other over sophomoric nonsense.

Well played.
04-21-2011 , 07:14 PM
You could post some dumbass video no one will watch that's a way better idea!
04-21-2011 , 07:17 PM
Leftie video outreach protip: If you want to reach them you need an angry lesbian with a bowl cut as your video host.
04-21-2011 , 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by 2/325Falcon
You could post some dumbass video no one will watch that's a way better idea!
Why would you characterize a video from an Auburn University professor as "dumbass"?

Surely you're not opposed to a civilized exchange of ideas.

Then again, I could be wrong.
04-21-2011 , 07:21 PM
Lol Auburn. IVYLEAGUE4LYFE.
04-21-2011 , 07:22 PM
I happen to agree with Phill. maybe this link could have been better in the LC thread, or be labeled as AC or something as a courtesy. as much as I like Roderick T. Long's soothing voice, he's certaintly not going to be everyone's cup 'o tea.
04-21-2011 , 07:23 PM
Admittedly ive not watched the video, but there is something uber hilarious about ACists trying to reach the left.

Wait, you like giving poor people healthcare and unemployment cheques? Well, we dont, but we brought pot brownies and we can all agree on THAT.

Its kinda charming that youre trying to convert people, its like the first rule of most religions, but libertarianism, esp ACism, doesnt have much common ground with either the right nor the left.
04-21-2011 , 07:24 PM
Berkeley would also have been acceptable obv.
04-21-2011 , 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by [Phill]
Admittedly ive not watched the video, but there is something uber hilarious about ACists trying to reach the left.

Wait, you like giving poor people healthcare and unemployment cheques? Well, we dont, but we brought pot brownies and we can all agree on THAT.

Its kinda charming that youre trying to convert people, its like the first rule of most religions, but libertarianism, esp ACism, doesnt have much common ground with either the right nor the left.
I'm kind'a glad there isn't much common ground with the mainstream right or left. the left has completely sold out on whether or not tax dollars should be used to kill brown people, and the right portray large heirarchical enterprises with state-protections as "small businesses", and wearethechampions.mp4.
04-21-2011 , 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by [Phill]
Admittedly ive not watched the video, but there is something uber hilarious about ACists trying to reach the left.
Not nearly as hilarious as juvenile flaming, though. It's always a lot easier to ridicule than it is to actually give careful intellectual consideration.

No skin off my back...people are free to wallow in their ignorance all they like.

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Wait, you like giving poor people healthcare and unemployment cheques? Well, we dont, but we brought pot brownies and we can all agree on THAT.
See above.

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Its kinda charming that youre trying to convert people, its like the first rule of most religions, but libertarianism, esp ACism, doesnt have much common ground with either the right nor the left.
I'm not so naive as to believe that proselytizing will be anymore successful today than it was yesterday.

I do, however, see this "common ground" thing as a process...the first step being encouraging others to abandon sophistry and embrace critical thought.

Perhaps that's asking too much.
04-21-2011 , 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by leavesofliberty
I'm kind'a glad there isn't much common ground with the mainstream right or left. the left has completely sold out on whether or not tax dollars should be used to kill brown people, and the right portray large heirarchical enterprises with state-protections as "small businesses", and wearethechampions.mp4.
That's basically the theme of the speech.

Libertarians and leftists can agree on protection of civil liberties, but the two groups tend to diverge when it comes to economic concerns (largely due to false definitions...such as the notion that the US economic system is a "free market").
04-21-2011 , 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by TVMH
That's basically... but the two groups tend to diverge when... the US economic system is a "free market").
Perhaps it would help you if you stopped trying to segregate the world into "the left" and "the right". Secondly, you should try to think about what "the left" means to you... because the term in general has no meaning at all. Seriously, any Coke -vs- Pepsi view of reality is fatally flawed.
04-21-2011 , 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by MissileDog
Perhaps it would help you if you stopped trying to segregate the world into "the left" and "the right". Secondly, you should try to think about what "the left" means to you... because the term in general has no meaning at all. Seriously, any Coke -vs- Pepsi view of reality is fatally flawed.
I tend to agree with you...I only use those labels because they are the most descriptive ones currently available for generalization.

Then again, your statement sorta reflects the point of the video.

Personally, I don't really use those labels (or if I do, I try to use quotes), rather, I categorize people as either collectivists or individualists, and my definitions are as follows:

* Collectivist - A person who believes in the notion of the "greater good" and also believes that the act of forming into a large group confers rights to that group that did not exist previously (i.e., this person believes that he, as an individual, does not have the right to point a gun at another and take their money, but, he, as a member of a collective, believes that the collective can rightly do the same);

* Individualist - A person who believes that individual interest is sacred (the only caveat being that that person does not have any right to behave as described above (i.e., stealing at gunpoint).

Both the mainstream "left" and "right" are largely collectivists, in my estimation.
04-21-2011 , 08:35 PM
lol "this note says I need to move closer to someone named Mike", made me laugh.
04-21-2011 , 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by ShoveOrFold
If you haven't figured it out yet, I'll clue you in. There is no way to have common ground anymore. The polarization is so extreme now there is no middle/compromise position to be found without one side completely caving.
If I believed that, I wouldn't bother posting. However, in light of recent events regarding online poker, I believe now is an opportune moment to reach out and try to reach more common ground.

Of course, I vacillate between trying to engage others in intelligent discussion and throwing up my hands, walking away, and looking for my Fukitol-CR pills ...just depends on the circumstances and my mood.

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Right-wing ideas (capitalism, small government, personal responsibility, limited gov't role in economy,etc) has been proven to be the correct philosophy. Even leftist Europe is swinging to center-right. France won't even let muslims where the burqa's. We need to be that strong. PM Merckel og Germany has stated that multi-culturalism has failed and is not viable. How long until we realize this.

Left-wing ideas (all-encompassing gov't, enormous taxation to provide social equality, nanny-state to run most phases of our lives) has failed EVERYWHERE it has been tried. Why should we compromise into some of their failed ideas.
Even more reason to believe that now is an opportune moment. What better illustration is there than to witness the failure of these systems in real-time?

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The final solution, I'm afraid, will be a splitting of our country. The Blue states can go be a Democratic-Socialist panacea, and the Red States can be a Democratic-Republic based on our original Constitution.
I don't think a split is out of the question, but I don't see it as left vs. right, rather, I see it as individualist vs. collectivist (something akin to "Atlas Shrugged" where the individualist producers consciously decide to stop contributing to collectivist society.

That, of course, would be a shame, as individualist producers will generally endeavor to improve things around them (including helping others around them to learn to become successful).

It would be shame, but it's certainly not unexpected (in my estimation, at least).

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That's my take. If you can find common ground between Milton Friendman and JM Keynes; between Nancy Pelosi and Newt Gingrich; between Rupert Murdoch and George Soros be my guess. I don't think it is possible.
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I'm not so interested in reconciling the views of the above as I am in getting the attention of people who have no idea who these people are.
04-21-2011 , 08:46 PM
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04-21-2011 , 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by ShoveOrFold
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-JCnnyxkGI

This is why conservatives are so much happier. We have the hotter women.
Candidly, they all remind me of Stepford wives.

I'll take libertarian women like Donna D'Errico (Playmate) or Mary Carey (pr0n star) any day of the week...and twice on Sunday.

      
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